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Pictures Help needed. SOS. Sun Conure Noise and hormones

sunnysara

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I'm at a crossroads honestly, please mention anyone that can help me.

Me and my husband have been living with my Sun Conure for more than a year now, she's been with me since 2020, I got her as a baby and weaned her.

We moved into a new apartment about 5 months ago and my husband can't stop complaining about the noice. He's sensitive to high pitched noises and Sunny is LOUD.

It's become worse after her big molt this year and is now acting hormonal towards him.

This means, more screams, chasing after him if he leaves a room, and not wanting me at all if he's around.

I work 4 days a week, arrive home at 5 and try to give her my time until 7 and she goes to her sleep cage until 7 the next morning. The day I'm off I try to spend as much time as I can with her.

Yesterday, my husband asked me to find Sunny a new home, says he can't stand her anymore. He says it's because he's always anticipating the screams which sometimes even gives him a headache.

I cannot get rid of her :(:(:(and it makes me feel like I'm a terrible person because I should prioritize my husband's well-being. (She is my ESA as well)

I've tried changing her diet (pellets, veggies and seeds for treats and fruit for foraging).

Training (target, recall)

Nothing seems to work.

Please any advise is welcome. What can I do???
 

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sunnysara

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Additional info: She has a large flight cage with different toys and perches, but she's always screaming for something to get her out if we're home.

I taught her to wave and spin and step up with training and have some recall done. She gets the anxious wings while on her training perch and cage and will try to fly to me or him if she can.
 

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There are things you can do to possibly minimize screaming but birds are doing to scream. And suns are loud. I agree with the suggestion of getting your husband noise cancelling headphones. You can also work on not reinforcing the screaming. So when she screams, she gets zero attention. That means ignoring her completely. You don't leave the room, you don't look at her. You pretend she's not there. When she's quiet, then she gets attention, a treat, etc. It's hard and it can be a rough 2-3 weeks of breaking her of screaming for attention. You can't give in if you start because if you let her scream for 30 minutes and give her attention, you just taught her that she has to scream for 30 minutes to get attention. But that doesn't mean she'll never make noise. Birds are naturally vocal.

As for chasing after your husband, you might have to do a reset where she's not allowed around your husband until her hormones get back in check. You can try increasing her hours of darkness for 2 hours for 2 weeks to see if it helps.
 
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Suns do hit notes that are ouchie. My quakers can be mind numbing loud and un endings hours repeat of of one to 3 different screams...I e taken in dedicated screaming birds and greatly reduced.. except the hormonal spring screaming that can last past spring but I call spring scream ...I e only slightly reduced that.

It's so common to have issues between a couple and the parrots. Unfortunately...that's going to take some communication and shared goals between you ..you have really got to get them to commit to the goal of working through this , while understanding their frustrations. It's hard when they have already made up their mind and are at their limits.. but this is just like any other challenges that I will face as a couple it just happens to come I the form of scream this time . I like to think our parrots reflect challenges that need to be addressed in our lives..be it communication, priorities, trust, patience, compassion ECT....and how is your team ( you and hubby ) going to meet these challenges? To me everything is easier we with humour , creativity, patience, and focus on the end goal , and celebrating every small step towards that goal . And the goal needs to be realistic. .like zero screaming is probably not achievable, greatly reducing I think is . How do you as a couple handle other challenges? Can you take anything from that to apply to this situation? Is this an opportunity to grow as a couple?

Also to be clear , while my goal would be to keep your bird in your home , I fully support and I understand if the home is what you have to do ..it happens, I hope it never happens to me , but we never know wh will happen in life .
2 of my 4 birds where re homes to me , 1 while I bought her in I consider a rescue, because her non stop screaming was having being sent back to "cooperate
" and I'm not sure if it would have ment put down or put in a breeder mill for the cooperate pet trade. But she was deemed unsellable and best that deadline by little over an hour .. She was the most difficult challenge of my life to date to rehabilitate ! She screamed from sun up to sunset without 1 single break in the beginning! So anyway I do have screaming experience;) it took months but eliminated the non stop screaming, and now falls into a normal quaker with just morning loudness,
Occasional outburst, and unfortunately the spring scream a work in progress fir thst..

But for other screaming will share things that worked here . Morning are important, if you don't already, get up earlier and have thirty min hang out time some kind of special morning ritual, a greeting a sitting together while you drink your coffee chat and cuddle, a ride on your shoulder while you prep cage and food for the day . Morning are important to birds , they make sure everyone survived the night, bond before days activity start . My friend with a screaming Africa grey and an unhappy husband hired a behavioralist and this was also the exact first thing he shared with her .

Next do a reintroduction and postive association with husband. Pretend it's the first time you introduce them . Try fir when she is calm and chill , walk over together and say this is my husband, we live each other and you , ( something, I think saying out loud something in intent and energy get through) husband ( name ) touch him , this is bird ( name ) you both mean so much to me and we are family/ flock ..lol whatever something positive with postive intentions. Have him hand a treat seed that she loves if she takes nicely, if not dedicate a small treat inky fish that he can drop in . And work up to handing treats. Then from now on , he asked borast goes over to the cage to say good morning give treat , and everyone in the home says good morning with treats and good night with treats .
Very important, every single time anyone in the home is leaving the home , go and tell bird goodbye I'm headed out and give treat. Every single time someone arrives home go and say hello and bgibe treat. Keeping track of the flock is highly important to birds ! It can mean life or death . It's extremely frustrating to the bird to not know who is coming or going. It can lead to a lot of unrealized stress to them feeling out of control not knowing who is around and who isn't . This was also paid for advice by Mr friend with the screaming grey . And all this and above had postive impact and reduction in screaming. Right off the bat before the rest of the work she did . It's thst important, and I have found it true in my home , with guests and visitors , and home repairs folks . All get introduced and hand it treat or put i treat dish .

Before I go in and on even more . And make the effort to share more. I do want to know that you both are wanting to try .
 
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I.. sharing this cuteness I came across! While cute and short , it shows example of bridging, the wife and husband pass the birdie on couch , doing fun ritual together, and example of target training to build step up trust . Plus so stinking cute !
 

sunnysara

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Suns do hit notes that are ouchie. My quakers can be mind numbing loud and un endings hours repeat of of one to 3 different screams...I e taken in dedicated screaming birds and greatly reduced.. except the hormonal spring screaming that can last past spring but I call spring scream ...I e only slightly reduced that.

It's so common to have issues between a couple and the parrots. Unfortunately...that's going to take some communication and shared goals between you ..you have really got to get them to commit to the goal of working through this , while understanding their frustrations. It's hard when they have already made up their mind and are at their limits.. but this is just like any other challenges that I will face as a couple it just happens to come I the form of scream this time . I like to think our parrots reflect challenges that need to be addressed in our lives..be it communication, priorities, trust, patience, compassion ECT....and how is your team ( you and hubby ) going to meet these challenges? To me everything is easier we with humour , creativity, patience, and focus on the end goal , and celebrating every small step towards that goal . And the goal needs to be realistic. .like zero screaming is probably not achievable, greatly reducing I think is . How do you as a couple handle other challenges? Can you take anything from that to apply to this situation? Is this an opportunity to grow as a couple?

Also to be clear , while my goal would be to keep your bird in your home , I fully support and I understand if the home is what you have to do ..it happens, I hope it never happens to me , but we never know wh will happen in life .
2 of my 4 birds where re homes to me , 1 while I bought her in I consider a rescue, because her non stop screaming was having being sent back to "cooperate
" and I'm not sure if it would have ment put down or put in a breeder mill for the cooperate pet trade. But she was deemed unsellable and best that deadline by little over an hour .. She was the most difficult challenge of my life to date to rehabilitate ! She screamed from sun up to sunset without 1 single break in the beginning! So anyway I do have screaming experience;) it took months but eliminated the non stop screaming, and now falls into a normal quaker with just morning loudness,
Occasional outburst, and unfortunately the spring scream a work in progress fir thst..

But for other screaming will share things that worked here . Morning are important, if you don't already, get up earlier and have thirty min hang out time some kind of special morning ritual, a greeting a sitting together while you drink your coffee chat and cuddle, a ride on your shoulder while you prep cage and food for the day . Morning are important to birds , they make sure everyone survived the night, bond before days activity start . My friend with a screaming Africa grey and an unhappy husband hired a behavioralist and this was also the exact first thing he shared with her .

Next do a reintroduction and postive association with husband. Pretend it's the first time you introduce them . Try fir when she is calm and chill , walk over together and say this is my husband, we live each other and you , ( something, I think saying out loud something in intent and energy get through) husband ( name ) touch him , this is bird ( name ) you both mean so much to me and we are family/ flock ..lol whatever something positive with postive intentions. Have him hand a treat seed that she loves if she takes nicely, if not dedicate a small treat inky fish that he can drop in . And work up to handing treats. Then from now on , he asked borast goes over to the cage to say good morning give treat , and everyone in the home says good morning with treats and good night with treats .
Very important, every single time anyone in the home is leaving the home , go and tell bird goodbye I'm headed out and give treat. Every single time someone arrives home go and say hello and bgibe treat. Keeping track of the flock is highly important to birds ! It can mean life or death . It's extremely frustrating to the bird to not know who is coming or going. It can lead to a lot of unrealized stress to them feeling out of control not knowing who is around and who isn't . This was also paid for advice by Mr friend with the screaming grey . And all this and above had postive impact and reduction in screaming. Right off the bat before the rest of the work she did . It's thst important, and I have found it true in my home , with guests and visitors , and home repairs folks . All get introduced and hand it treat or put i treat dish .

Before I go in and on even more . And make the effort to share more. I do want to know that you both are wanting to try .
Thank you for all the advice. We normally resolve issues nicely after discussing them. I think what's been worse is everybody's frustration - his at the sensitivity and mine at the situation since I've always wanted us 3 to feel like a big family.

I'll start with the morning ritual, getting her 3 extra darkness time (also question: should I be covering her cage or is it better to use her sleep cage?) And the reintroducing that you mentioned. We leave together and I always say bye to her but not my husband. Today we got some noise reduction earplugs and I'll talk to him about the treats.

If you have anything else as advice, it's greatly appreciated!!
 
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It's just extra hard when it's 2 people and it's very hard if one is already at their limits..and I get it , it's very very hard to have constant screaming.

For excessive screaming , beyond a birds normal of screeching. There is a reason the behavior developed , sometimes multiple. Usually it's a frustration, these are highly social creatures that evolved to always be with mate or extended family and flock . While we know that, it's really deep seated , a bird alone is vulnerable or soon taken by predators. It's a hard wired instinct. Birds aren't domestic yet. Some individuals and some species adapt better to our lifestyle. But we are their flock and family. Parrots most species are daytime active, and evolved to be very active, unlike our predators who spend many down hours napping. They are also highly intelligent with complex social self identity and not hierarchy. It's just good to remind ourselves and future parrot parents of this . They are not easy pets , and they make a lot of sacrifices we can forget by being in our lives .

So my advice always starts with a whole life approach, and it's not ever directed at you or anyone to say you aren't already a fabulous bird mom . You can start with observations, and work really hard to observe with fresh eyes to be open to what you observe and not what you think you will see . Make notes , what are the triggers for screaming, what are the times of day , what going on around inside, and sometimes outside. When are their normal daytime naps or quite times or busy times . Because later , you can work those in and extend quiet times . You can pair quite soothing music with nap times and bedtime, when there is an established pattern , there can be some success playing that same music before known scream triggers, or at the very start of scream session to break the pattern.

This is the basics , but basics are the place to start because they are so important. They have always played a critical role in rehab of behavioral issues for me ..

Ok back to whole life. Most parrot cages are not big enough, even if we think they are . The recommendations I see are for 2.5 of your birds to stand wings fully extended for the length of your cage , more is great heck we all probably need an aviary ..if your cage isn't at least double the wing span of your bird in length, I would try and upgrade, I've like new cages sold cheap with time and effort. Cage placement is important, being in the main living area is generally best to be part of the family and flock. Some birds are sensitive by being by doors where people or pets can suddenly appear. Be guided by your bird and life . Most birds are more comfortable if their main perch is st least as high as your chest when you are standing. Birds kept in cages on the floor are generally experience chronic stress.

Perches , I'm just going to throw out at least five , different types and diameter, one for your size bird need so as wide as your ok symbol with thumb and pointer fingers spread apart by an inch . This provides maximum support and relaxation of foot . So many perches are sold thst just aren't wide enough. It's great to have smaller and different for changing their grip.

Toys . Toys are not all the same . We have amazing vendors here that understand parrots and sell exceptional toys , that I only discovered after joining! Toys that excited and motivated my previous parrots who rarely interacted with toys before. At least one that is easy to destroy , many parrot toys sold are to hard of wood for our parrots beaks ( not talking those massive beaks or extra good wood chipping species) tho even those can get a lot of enjoyment shredded soft woods and fibers. And one harder wood toy . Then a mix of stuff , be creative, tailor to your individual, but I think five toys on average, save broken bits to make forage stuff.

Diet . Diet does impact behavior. I will give basics , because diet is a huge topic and we all are continuing to try to find the best for us and our parrots , and even then we all don't agree 100% what is the best. ;) parrots need fresh veggies, greens and some fruit , some species have higher or lower fruit needs. But generally for a conure , fruit should be between 10-15% of daily diet , I do less . I strive to have a lot of veggies daily, and try and rotate. I ve taken dedicated life long seed eaters and got them loving veggies, tho some it was years journey. I do serve pellets and I do serve seed mix at the end of the day , on seeds I aim for 25% of die hit, but minimum for a hook bill is 10% and you can save that for your treats and training. These recommendations are from a lot of reading and my opinion. So keep in mind opinion and research vary . But I see a lot of value in a diet like this with behavior, getting to have variety and being able to use beak and feet for eating. Incorporating foraging for food even better impact on behavior, tho you have to start simple and st your birds level and teach it .

I prefer to use shallow feeding dishes so birds can see and manipulate food better than a deep bowl , can file under preference, for me increased veg consumption and pellet consumption.

Bath . I think it's important to promote self choice. In every aspect of a parrots life if you can increase self directed behavior and choice it has postive impact on behavior issues. So I like to offer a wide sturdy dish with no more than 2 inches of water daily, they can choose to bathe or notm.still feel free to keep up any bathing stuff you normally do, like if they enjoy misting, or baths in sink , or what ever. But allow self choice too .

Keeping birds flighted allows the most self directed. Encourage in home flight , by having their own perches , hanging, stands spread out through the home, and doing in home recall flight training. Flight is the best exercise. Exercise has a positive impact on behavior. Birds enjoy climb and jumping and dangling as well .

Getting to be able to spend time outside safely can have a huge impact on behavior. I zip tie every opening and bottom tray and roll cages outside in light shade and never leave alone when possible
 
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Ok , sorry all that stuff , if people are not meeting those needs didn't know, can drop screaming 30- plus % right off the bat many times .

For established screaming, I have best result with anticipating what I can and prevent a scream session from starting, if does interrupting and redirect. Creating longer patterns and habits of nit screaming.
Some of this I probably need more info from you to help me share tips .

But as examples, if I know my bird is going to start screaming as soon as they finish breakfast. As soon as they finish breakfast and before they start , I get them out and do fun easy short training, or set them up with a foraging thing . If I know they will start screaming the swim out of sight, I talk to them as I walk out of a room , wait a few seconds come back tell them aren't you a great quiet bird . I do that a million times and build in length out of sight time but not screaming. If I know I want to have a phone call and thst trigger scream, I must turn it encourage a bath , most birds give you 30 min quiet time post bath, can't be used in evening thinas will not dry and could get chills. I build off thier nap times . Many birds have a nap routine. Mine are mid day , I built up a mid day quiet time. Multiple methods with that , but either encourag a pre nap bath , or when I know not time is usually over quickly providing a snack that takes time to eat , popcorn in those rubber balls with holes so they have to work to get it , millet in something they have to work at to get.
After they finish I move them to a different perch area. Moving them seems to reset their mind
I make sure always to go pay attention to them when quite.
 
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