Transition to healthier eating

[Bokkapooh]

So I was reading this site again:

LafeberVet.com: Nutritional management of pancreatitis

and I quote(paragraph, numbered 4):

The addition of omega-6 and omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids may shorten the course of pancreatitis. Doneley has described the use of a 5:1 ratio combination of omega-6mega-3 fatty acids (0.11 ml/kg PO q24h) for birds with acute pancreatitis.

I know CRUSHED flax seeds are super great for human health. It is just so super nutritious. I feed it to my birds every night in their oatmeal, sweet potato blended greens mix. Its very healthy

WHFoods: Flaxseeds

 

[saroj12]

Rudy is SUCH a hansom guy!!


MMM Pom seeds! lol.

We havent seen any at our local Cosco lately. Saroj, where are you getting them?

In november I bought 125(?) poms
Still have enough to last till May IF they don't go bad....used to be I served 1/4 pom a day, but now some parts are getting brown so it takes 3/4 pom to get what I need for everybody. I know I overfeed fruit, but caiques can handle the higher sugar.

 

[Bokkapooh]

I'll look for my graphic pics....

I would love to see pics to understand more of what your describing.

Poor Scooter.. I love my fats and I know my fids do too.

What about sprouts? Can he handle them?

What about pelleted diets that have fat in them? Does he show any negative symptoms?

Have you tried Totally Organic Pellets for Scooter, I know they are low in fat and sugars, etc.

 

[saroj12]

So I was reading this site again:

LafeberVet.com: Nutritional management of pancreatitis

and I quote(paragraph, numbered 4):



I know CRUSHED flax seeds are super great for human health. It is just so super nutritious. I feed it to my birds every night in their oatmeal, sweet potato blended greens mix. Its very healthy

WHFoods: Flaxseeds

Scooter LOVES the flaxseed in Avian Naturals Power Mash!! I didn't catch it was actually good for him and was restricting it!!It has the good oils....
thanks Mercedez!

 

[Merlie]

Here's a few pics of how my mash ends up looking. For some reason, I can't find a picture of the chopped up veggies,

I do mine almost exactly like Saemma. Soak beans overnight, then cook. Cook the grains and lentils .. not to mushy. I use both fresh and slightly steamed veggies, then put them thru the food processor on fast pulse, I don't want it too fine, but well chopped. I will usually pulse 1/2 the bean mixture, and leave the other half as is.

Mix it all together, and portion out.

I don't add fruit to my mash either. I do the fruits separately, and add a bit of fruit puree to the mash when I feed.

The mash is my "base" .. I add fresh veggies, sometimes frozen <depending on season> daily, as well as sprouts daily. Everyone here loves apples and grapes, so usually those are included daily .. I mix up the fruits as much as possible, but will only use organic .. so limited to seasonal availability.

 

[saroj12]

I would love to see pics to understand more of what your describing.

Poor Scooter.. I love my fats and I know my fids do too.

What about sprouts? Can he handle them?

What about pelleted diets that have fat in them? Does he show any negative symptoms?

Have you tried Totally Organic Pellets for Scooter, I know they are low in fat and sugars, etc

He's on TOPs and Harrison's and Lafebers pellets. He's actually doing quite well and except for the oil splotches, is very normal. Eats a lot of fresh foods. He's my best and least picky eater!

 

[Bokkapooh]

I know I overfeed fruit, but caiques can handle the higher sugar.

If they fly it off, Im sure they are fine Its the clipped birds I always worry about with fat, caloric and sugar contents. I feed a good 20% of my bird's diets in fruit. They are still very good veggie eaters and they get eat a lot of healthy foods, so I'm not worried either But many fruits have very high Vitamins in them, especially BERRIES.

SHEESH 125 poms?!

Im JEALOUS! That had to of cost a lot.. Poms are so expensive up here. Did you get a good discount for such a great quantity of them?

 

[saroj12]

If they fly it off, Im sure they are fine Its the clipped birds I always worry about with fat, caloric and sugar contents. I feed a good 20% of my bird's diets in fruit. They are still very good veggie eaters and they get eat a lot of healthy foods, so I'm not worried either But many fruits have very high Vitamins in them, especially BERRIES.

SHEESH 125 poms?!

Im JEALOUS! That had to of cost a loud.. Poms are so expensive up here. Did you get a good discount for such a great quantity of them?

they are starting to fly, but are very high energy anyways, though a little pudgy
I would pick up a dozen poms each time I went to the store....so I didn't keep track of the cost
Your diet percentages sound great!

 

[Bokkapooh]

WOW Merlie, that looks great!

I have just gotten into feeding my birds a mash mix. I typically just blend up their greens and carrots and other very healthy veggies and at it to their oatmeal and sweet potato.

I think I'm going to do a few things different tonight!

 

[saroj12]

Here's a few pics of how my mash ends up looking. For some reason, I can't find a picture of the chopped up veggies,

I do mine almost exactly like Saemma. Soak beans overnight, then cook. Cook the grains and lentils .. not to mushy. I use both fresh and slightly steamed veggies, then put them thru the food processor on fast pulse, I don't want it too fine, but well chopped. I will usually pulse 1/2 the bean mixture, and leave the other half as is.

Mix it all together, and portion out.

I don't add fruit to my mash either. I do the fruits separately, and add a bit of fruit puree to the mash when I feed.

The mash is my "base" .. I add fresh veggies, sometimes frozen <depending on season> daily, as well as sprouts daily. Everyone here loves apples and grapes, so usually those are included daily .. I mix up the fruits as much as possible, but will only use organic .. so limited to seasonal availability.

thank you sooooo much for the pics.

Now tell me, are you and Saemma leaving this out for any length of time? Like say 9 hours?

 

[Saemma]

So?? How's it going on your end Sarojie? I want a play by play.. to bad we can't see everthing that's going on by TV satellite!!

They seem super hungry in those pics!! Were they?

 

[Bokkapooh]

they are starting to fly, but are very high energy anyways, though a little pudgy
I would pick up a dozen poms each time I went to the store....so I didn't keep track of the cost
Your diet percentages sound great!

Ive noticed that with our small birds, even with flight, they can appear... pudgy Im always trying to improve my birds diet, and just love reading about how people do things for their fids

Sheesh, I'd eat a dozen or more POMs a day if I could. LOL. Im thinking about researching a bit about growing PALM trees and POM trees I wonder how long they'd take until they produce fruit and nut? lol

 

[Bokkapooh]

Now tell me, are you and Saemma leaving this out for any length of time? Like say 9 hours?

I was wondering this too. I know with fresh veggies and some types of fruits (with no unthawed frozen veggies or fruits) I can lave them out for a good 9 hours. But with blend mix, I was wondering.

 

[Saemma]

thank you sooooo much for the pics.

Now tell me, are you and Saemma leaving this out for any length of time? Like say 9 hours?

HUH? My cooked food gets gobbled in 5-10 minutes flat!!

In the old days when they behaved like food snobs.. I'd leave it out for 40 minutes.. and after that.. the kitchen was CLOSED!!!!

 

[saroj12]

So?? How's it going on your end Sarojie? I want a play by play.. to bad we can't see everthing that's going on by TV satellite!!

They seem super hungry in those pics!! Were they?

i have some really irritated and hungry birds

 

[Merlie]

Everyone has different opinions on this .. but you are dealing with fresh, moist food, so you don't want it sitting out for too long.

On days I work .. it's out for about an hour or so, depends on the bird .. they each have their different "eating" styles. I've got it down to where there's very little left over to dump.

On days that I'm off .. I do the standard 1 hourish in the morning, but will refill again late afternoon.

After a while, you just know how much each bird will eat, and how long it will take them to eat it .. so initially, there might be some waste, but you'll get it figured out. The Caiques are piggies, they dive and destroy. The Quakers are much "daintier" .. and like to mix nibbling with playing.

The rest of the gang are somewhere in between .. but usually, there's very little left in the mash bowls after an hour.

thank you sooooo much for the pics.

Now tell me, are you and Saemma leaving this out for any length of time? Like say 9 hours?

 

[Saemma]

Are they eating some of what you have provided?

It's normal for them to be feeling CRABBY too. Their little bodies are accustomed to that "Nutriberry seed high"
I'm sure alot of it is also "psychological" for them too.
Rome wasn't built in a day either
If you can get through 12 more weeks of regular episodes like today.. you're going to be fine
Be STRONG. Today was only day #1

 

[saroj12]

thank you Merlie
Saemma if they don't eat by 8 I have to yield.
I just caged everybody as people dinner is served, and J&C are really grouchy. Jackson got her normal dinner, she eats properly. L Scoot got a nmix of mash and regular dinner so he is fine. Rudy is annoyed -- he eats seeds a lot, and there are 0 seeds in his cage. B Scoot is too busy playing in his dresser. After I come back I'll see if he wants to eat the mash that is served on his tree....

breakfast went well...they all ate pellets except Rudy

 

[Saemma]

I also forgot to add

Parrots are masters at reading body language and expert manipulators. Do not ever let them sense you are weak. They will exploit it for all they can.
Be strong and always be consistent!!!Trés Important!!!!!

 

[saroj12]

i sound grouchy myself don't I?
Off to fortify with frittata