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It stings at first and then quickly numbs the wound. It's much like many of the sprays used to numb cuts, they normally have a slight sting and then numb us. It will also help stop the bleeding. It's not torture anymore then peroxide can be. Even diluted it can kill skin which could cause problems with her healing properly. Cayenne powder mixed with a bit of water will numb it and stop any bleeding and work as an antiseptic.
 

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Everything stings on an open wound, even cold water. Cayenne peoper may sting like the rest but immediately starts.to relieve pain and helps it heal.
 

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Please don't use hydrogen peroxide!
Okay, you gave some solid proof not to use it. I won't. Thanks.

It stings at first and then quickly numbs the wound.
Everything stings on an open wound, even cold water.
No, not everything stings. Neosporin doesn't sting. Why would I use something that stings, even at first, and it would for days, twice a day, until the skin heals over, when I can use something that doesn't sting at all?

I'm not going to waste time and play around with herbs when I can use a product that is clinically proven to help heal and prevent infection effectively.
 

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Okay, you gave some solid proof not to use it. I won't. Thanks.


No, not everything stings. Neosporin doesn't sting. Why would I use something that stings, even at first, and it would for days, twice a day, until the skin heals over, when I can use something that doesn't sting at all?

I'm not going to waste time and play around with herbs when I can use a product that is clinically proven to help heal and prevent infection effectively.
You use what you feel best for your bird...we were just giving you another choice...with cayenne the air can still get to the wound and heal, the scab doesn't last as long, and NO it doesn't sting everytime it is put on...it numbs it and heals a lot faster than other ointments....but I understand you thinking it is hurting your bird because it hurts you...
 

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Please don't use neosporin ointment. It has zinc in it and can hurt your bird.

Read more on the Cayenne pepper, please. I hope your bird is feeling better today.:hug8:
 

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They are finding that perxiode is not good on human tissue. Glad you get that now.

I know you are having a hard time with the cayenne treatment. But honestly the people you have come to ask help of would not lead you in a direction that would deliberately hurt your bird any further. If they thought that it was a bad thing they would never have encouraged you to use it. Just be careful not to get into the nares if you should use it.

Good luck and keep them seperated.
 

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You use what you feel best for your bird...we were just giving you another choice...with cayenne the air can still get to the wound and heal, the scab doesn't last as long, and NO it doesn't sting everytime it is put on...it numbs it and heals a lot faster than other ointments....but I understand you thinking it is hurting your bird because it hurts you...
I realize that you guys are trying to help and I appreciate that but the fact is that hot peppers sting open wounds and just because parrots don't taste hot peppers the same way that we do doesn't mean that they don't feel it in their open wounds. And the wound is directly in relation to her nares.

Things tried and proven on people are NOT bird safe.
I never said that everything tried and proven on people IS bird safe. I said that I want a product that is clinically proven to be effective. I never specified whether I wanted a human specific or bird specific product either.

I also never said that I was using Neosporin, I was using it as an example of a medication that doesn't sting at all.

Called my vet's office today and of course they tried to get me to make an appointment so they could tell me the same thing as last time and charge me for it. However, when I mentioned that the doctor said they couldn't do anything last time, they stopped jerking me around and gave some useful advice. I really need to find a new vet... One that cares a little less about money and a little more about the patient. I'm all for bringing them into the vet when they need it but not to told that there's nothing they can do and then pumping her full of oral antibiotics yet again.
 

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Well typically its recommended to have antibiotics and a pain reliever for wounds.
 

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Well typically its recommended to have antibiotics and a pain reliever for wounds.
Yes, antibiotics are recommended. Topical antibiotics. I've worked in the animal medical field as well and you don't have to give oral antibiotics for every superficial wound. Nor do you have to do pain relievers.
 

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Try Fallston Vet or Chadwell Animal Hospital, Dr. Urie. They are the best Avian Vets I know of in Maryland. That is, if your bird still needs to see a vet.
 

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Thank you for the recommendation. I'll look into them. I just looked into Wheaton Animal Hospital. The woman I spoke to didn't even know what CBC was, I had to say complete blood count. That is a little disconcerting...

I prefer avian certified but am learning that there's no point if service is going down hill and prices are going up.

Okay, Chadwell sounds good despite being an hour and 6 minutes away. I guess it's worth the drive for a vet that is both good at what they do and affordable.
 
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I take all of mine to Chadwell and I have honestly not had any problem with them. I use Dr. Urie for my MM2 and Dr Gold does the rest of my flock. They are so reasonable and they will work with you. I wish you and your guys the best.:hug8:
 

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What kind of topical antibiotics are there for birds? Never heard of any. But from what I understand, with animal bites it is recommended to do oral antibiotics. And well you don't "have" to give pain relievers, its not always necessary, but I would think with a wound from a bite to the nares and face, it would be beneficial to the bird.

But since this has happened in the past, perhaps its best to keep them seperated? :)

Goodluck!
 

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I'm somewhat aggravated how people are arguing about emergency wound care for birds. Everyone who posted in this thread are trying to help with first aid as the emergency 911 forum is intended for just that, "Emergency Care", using what is available to keep your bird alive until it can be seen by an avian vet. There are many people with years of experience on this forum who donate their time to help others in an emergency. If you disagree with what is said here, that is obviously your choice and I would recommend that you go quickly to your avian vet.

Gary
 

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If your not sure about the cayenne pepper treatment, try it on yourself the next time you have a wound. You are going to be tremendously surprised at how well and quickly it works to stop bleeding, kill pain and heal the wound.

Now you just have to wound yourself to test it. :D
 

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If your not sure about the cayenne pepper treatment, try it on yourself the next time you have a wound. You are going to be tremendously surprised at how well and quickly it works to stop bleeding, kill pain and heal the wound.
I have to agree with this. I have used cayenne on myself, on dogs and on birds. I have not found it to really sting (and I am a total pathetic wuss when it comes to pain), and never have I seen a pain reaction in the dogs or birds I have used it on either.

Another alternative treatment that I use often for wound healing is honey - it has amazing healing properties on wounds. I have healed huge wounds very quickly and with minimal to no scarring with honey. (Several times these were wounds that really should have been stitched) It is messy and sticky and not always easy to apply, for for where your bird's wound is, a little honey could easily be applied with a q-tip. And I can guarantee it won't sting even for a second. I use it on myself all the time under a bandaid.

Actually today I used both cayenne and honey on me, when I cut myself at work (I am a dog groomer, and I snipped myself with the tip of my scissors). I dabbed on some cayenne to stop the bleeding, then dabbed on some honey and covered it with a bandaid to keep the dog hair out as well as to keep me from getting the freshly bathed blonde dog stained with my blood and cayenne hahaha

If you really want a more conventional treatment, Vetericyn has also worked well for me. It is totally non-stinging, and is safe even in the eyes. I used it recently on a dog with a large abdominal incision that had a staph infection starting around the area and I saw a measurable increase in healing within just a few hours after starting to use it. Many of my clients have had good success using Vetericyn on wounds, hot spots, rashes and ear infections.
 

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Thank you for the recommendation. I'll look into them. I just looked into Wheaton Animal Hospital. The woman I spoke to didn't even know what CBC was, I had to say complete blood count. That is a little disconcerting...
I prefer avian certified but am learning that there's no point if service is going down hill and prices are going up.

Okay, Chadwell sounds good despite being an hour and 6 minutes away. I guess it's worth the drive for a vet that is both good at what they do and affordable.
I wouldnt let that deter you. The woman you spoke with was probably just a receptionist, not a Technician or Dr. She has probably never been involved in the care, treatment and analysis of blood work, let alone being present in the lab. I work in one of the best Specialist Centers in Canada, and our Receptionists are great, and knowledgable, but they wouldnt know that sort of thing.
 

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What kind of topical antibiotics are there for birds?
Silvadene for one.

I'm somewhat aggravated how people are arguing about emergency wound care for birds. Everyone who posted in this thread are trying to help with first aid as the emergency 911 forum is intended for just that, "Emergency Care", using what is available to keep your bird alive until it can be seen by an avian vet. There are many people with years of experience on this forum who donate their time to help others in an emergency. If you disagree with what is said here, that is obviously your choice and I would recommend that you go quickly to your avian vet.
You're out of line. If it aggravates you, then don't get involved in this thread. It's as simple as that. No one makes you click into here, read this, all the replies, and then post. That was your choice to do so and if this thread aggravates you then ignore it. I'll do what I see fit for my own bird.

If your not sure about the cayenne pepper treatment, try it on yourself the next time you have a wound.
But I did. I wrote that I had a fresh scratch and it burned like heck. So I know exactly how it feels.

Another alternative treatment
There's the problem right there. I don't like alternative treatments. I don't like homeopathy. And I don't like herbology for the most part. I will not use anything unless it's been clinically proven to be both safe and effective. I simply won't argue about this because I don't want to. You can use herbs on your birds if you like and I'll use clinically proven products on mine. I'm not going to debate about how herbs have been used for a long time and etc., etc. That's not why I started this thread. I'm saying this because I just wanted my preferences when it comes to medications known.

Thank you for the Vetericyn. I think I've seen a commercial for it on tv or something? Kind of odd how the active ingredient is listed as inert on their ingredient list. I don't mind paying around $24 for just 4 oz of medication but the shelf life isn't that long.
 

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Just a word on neosporin/polysporin (I know your not using it but just for the info). I'm a veterinary technician at an Avian Vet and it is an oil based product, where we've had at least 2 cases where the bird died from the client using neosporin before realizing it was seriously harming the bird :(
 
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