Breeding a red mosaic satinette/isabel

[aria_prime]

I am new here, I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right category.

I have a red mosaic canary that is either a satinette or isabel. I would like to buy a female to breed him, and was thinking of buying a lipochrome red mosaic.
Is this a good combination to breed?
What if I buy a plain white canary for him? Is that a good combination?

I am breeding him to a blue/white variegated hen right now but then read that red factors should only be bred to red factors for the best color. But I'm curious if breeding him to a plain white hen would result in good colors.

 

[Shezbug]

@finchly @Clairecanary15 @Monica

@Zara can you think of anyone else who may be of help here?

 

[Monica]

Not familiar enough with canary mutations to comment....

Other than the fact that the "red factor" is a result of hybridization with a red siskin finch... so although they are labeled as canaries, they still carry the gene to produce red colors when fed a diet with red dye or beta-carotene's. Therefore, it would make sense to breed red factor to red factor to get the best red factor offspring. Breeding to a non-red factor canary could result in offspring that either don't have the ability to produce red or maybe the ability isn't strong enough?

 

[finchly]

the is something about hard feather/soft feather though - Claire will know. I will send her a note.

 

[Clairecanary15]

Hi

Im not sure that a red mosaic can be a satinette or isabel..as they are their own colour mutations...unless he is a cross.

I may get cast out for saying this but I run my own Facebook group called Pet and Show Canaries, novice to expert. My group is aimed for all. There are a few experts who could tell you exactly which type your canary is and what is best to breed with. Please pm me on here if you are interested then i can accept your request to join.

 

[Clairecanary15]

Not familiar enough with canary mutations to comment....

Other than the fact that the "red factor" is a result of hybridization with a red siskin finch... so although they are labeled as canaries, they still carry the gene to produce red colors when fed a diet with red dye or beta-carotene's. Therefore, it would make sense to breed red factor to red factor to get the best red factor offspring. Breeding to a non-red factor canary could result in offspring that either don't have the ability to produce red or maybe the ability isn't strong enough?

A dilution of the red mosaic mutation would occur

 

[Clairecanary15]

the is something about hard feather/soft feather though - Claire will know. I will send her a note.

Thank you, feather type is also important..but i am still learning about all the other colour mutations. If it is a mosaic the male presents with more colour and hen does not ..i think?

 

[aria_prime]

Okay, so if I bred him with a plain white canary, would the red be diluted or the grey?
I know breeding reds to yellows isn't recommended. I've seen pictures and I don't like how they look either. But I feel like breeding to a white would produce different results than a yellow.

He is definitely a red mosaic isabel/satinette. If you google it there are pictures that come up and he looks just like them.

I would love to buy a lipochrome red mosaic hen but they are a lot harder to find so I might not be able to get one until the end of the year. A white canary, on the other hand, I can get tomorrow if I wanted to.

 

[finchly]

I don’t know. I would breed the mosaic to a mosaic. Here’s some info for you. BASIC GENETICS OF THE COLOR BRED CANARY