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This is going to be a long one, sorry. So Sunday was a bad day. My Amazon parrot, Joey, had a blood feather in the morning, my sports team lost, and the IRS sent me a letter telling me I owe them MORE money. Serenity now!!
Fortunately, Joey's blood feather clotted by itself, and although it was scary, it wasn't serious. Still, I took him to the vet today as a precaution (they aren't open on Sundays). I also was fairly sure he had a respiratory infection since I heard him sneezing multiple times on Saturday night.
To be completely honest, Joey didn't use to have the best diet (mostly seed and fruit-based). I kick myself constantly over this, but I can't change the past. All I can do is my best for him going forward. About a year and a half ago, I changed his diet completely after reading up about how a pet parrot's diet needs to be different than a wild parrot's. I ended up opting to give him a vegetable/grain/legume chop in the morning and pellets in the evening. For the chop, I used the BirdTricks seasonal cookbook which claims to be veterinarian approved.
As a side note, I know a lot of people don't hold BirdTricks in high regard, but as far as I can tell, it's only related to their selling training materials. I haven't read anything bad about their feeding system.
For the pellet, I emailed the people at BirdTricks for a suggestion. I should mention, that I do not live in the US. My options on what pellets to feed and the avian vets available to me are limited. Anyway, I was recommended TOPS. After switching Joey over to this diet I felt like I was making good choices for him. I also saw visual evidence that this was the case. Once he started molting, it was obvious that the new feathers were so much brighter than the old ones. He also seemed to be more energetic and would eat more.
So today Joey had his vet visit. She confirmed that the blood feather was not serious and that he did indeed have a respiratory infection for which he will be given antibiotics. The vet asked me what Joey was fed, and I told her that I gave him a vegetable chop in the morning and TOPS pellets in the evening. Here's where things get interesting:
She told me that parrots should not be fed the following: spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, chard, avocados, and citrus fruits. The last two, I never fed, but regarding the first four, I was really stunned. She mentioned that they can prevent calcium absorption. Of course, when I got home, I googled it and did find that spinach can in fact do this. However, I couldn't find anything negative about the other three veggies.
She also told me that they do NOT recommend TOPS pellets. Instead, she suggested Kaytee or Zupreem. Frankly, I was very surprised by this response as well. I'd always read that both those brands were high in sugars and were overall less nutritious. The ingredient list on the TOPS pellets just looks better in my opinion. I was probably going to have to switch to a new pellet brand anyway because TOPS isn't available for the moment in my area. The brand I was considering is Mazuri. Again, they said they don't recommend it, that it was too high in fat contents. But ... don't they feed these pellets at Zoos in the U.S.??? So much conflicting information.
My parents feel that they recommended Zupreem because it's the brand that they sell. I felt it might be the case (and it worked because I bought some), but darn, I would really hate for that to be true. If I can't trust the veterinarian then who can I trust? No matter how much material I read off the internet, I did not go to veterinary school. I will never know more than they do. And the thing is, some of the things she observed in Joey made me wonder if his diet still isn't good enough. As she examined him, she noted that he had a lot of down feathers. According to her, it's because his current diet doesn't afford the necessary nutrition to produce higher quality feathers. Even before the vet visit, I had wondered about the down feathers and if the amount he had was normal. So Zupreem is going to provide the necessary nutrition and his feathers will be even better? Those things look like fruity pebbles! I wanna eat them!
I'm really trying to do my best for my feathered friend, but with so much conflicting information I just feel like I keep coming up short.
Has anyone heard anything negative about feeding spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, or chard? Has your vet ever given a negative opinion about TOPS or Mazuri?
I feel so overwhelmed right now. Thanks for allowing me to vent.
Fortunately, Joey's blood feather clotted by itself, and although it was scary, it wasn't serious. Still, I took him to the vet today as a precaution (they aren't open on Sundays). I also was fairly sure he had a respiratory infection since I heard him sneezing multiple times on Saturday night.
To be completely honest, Joey didn't use to have the best diet (mostly seed and fruit-based). I kick myself constantly over this, but I can't change the past. All I can do is my best for him going forward. About a year and a half ago, I changed his diet completely after reading up about how a pet parrot's diet needs to be different than a wild parrot's. I ended up opting to give him a vegetable/grain/legume chop in the morning and pellets in the evening. For the chop, I used the BirdTricks seasonal cookbook which claims to be veterinarian approved.
As a side note, I know a lot of people don't hold BirdTricks in high regard, but as far as I can tell, it's only related to their selling training materials. I haven't read anything bad about their feeding system.
For the pellet, I emailed the people at BirdTricks for a suggestion. I should mention, that I do not live in the US. My options on what pellets to feed and the avian vets available to me are limited. Anyway, I was recommended TOPS. After switching Joey over to this diet I felt like I was making good choices for him. I also saw visual evidence that this was the case. Once he started molting, it was obvious that the new feathers were so much brighter than the old ones. He also seemed to be more energetic and would eat more.
So today Joey had his vet visit. She confirmed that the blood feather was not serious and that he did indeed have a respiratory infection for which he will be given antibiotics. The vet asked me what Joey was fed, and I told her that I gave him a vegetable chop in the morning and TOPS pellets in the evening. Here's where things get interesting:
She told me that parrots should not be fed the following: spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, chard, avocados, and citrus fruits. The last two, I never fed, but regarding the first four, I was really stunned. She mentioned that they can prevent calcium absorption. Of course, when I got home, I googled it and did find that spinach can in fact do this. However, I couldn't find anything negative about the other three veggies.
She also told me that they do NOT recommend TOPS pellets. Instead, she suggested Kaytee or Zupreem. Frankly, I was very surprised by this response as well. I'd always read that both those brands were high in sugars and were overall less nutritious. The ingredient list on the TOPS pellets just looks better in my opinion. I was probably going to have to switch to a new pellet brand anyway because TOPS isn't available for the moment in my area. The brand I was considering is Mazuri. Again, they said they don't recommend it, that it was too high in fat contents. But ... don't they feed these pellets at Zoos in the U.S.??? So much conflicting information.
My parents feel that they recommended Zupreem because it's the brand that they sell. I felt it might be the case (and it worked because I bought some), but darn, I would really hate for that to be true. If I can't trust the veterinarian then who can I trust? No matter how much material I read off the internet, I did not go to veterinary school. I will never know more than they do. And the thing is, some of the things she observed in Joey made me wonder if his diet still isn't good enough. As she examined him, she noted that he had a lot of down feathers. According to her, it's because his current diet doesn't afford the necessary nutrition to produce higher quality feathers. Even before the vet visit, I had wondered about the down feathers and if the amount he had was normal. So Zupreem is going to provide the necessary nutrition and his feathers will be even better? Those things look like fruity pebbles! I wanna eat them!
I'm really trying to do my best for my feathered friend, but with so much conflicting information I just feel like I keep coming up short.
Has anyone heard anything negative about feeding spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, or chard? Has your vet ever given a negative opinion about TOPS or Mazuri?
I feel so overwhelmed right now. Thanks for allowing me to vent.