Urgent Wholistic Advice Wanted for Sick Budgie

[webchirp]

I also have this sinking feeling it might be too late....how quickly can they turn around once on it and even once noisy breathing has kicked in? She also has a really pronounced keel now too. She moved down to the floor of the cage for the first time today so I am thinking this could be the beginning of the end....How long before they die do they usually do this?

A good antibiotic could really help...this is just so sad that it could be turned around with a little help. I'd even pay for it if you were close enough to drop off to Dr. Orosz in Toledo.

 

[Mizzely]

Also know that if it's not a situation that requires antibiotics, it could do more harm than good. Which is why they are usually only given under the supervision of a vet.

 

[Brittany0208]

I'm bookmarking that site!! And baytril is terribly bitter - unless this is already in a flavored syrup, you may need to add that, or your bird may not take it. I had a hard time with that with my cockatoo until I made a sweet syrup to put it in.

Java just got 2 weeks' worth of Baytril yesterday, and he starts shaking his head as soon as he puts it in his mouth, so I'm sure a lot of it is being wasted. What could I mix it with so he actually takes it?

 

[Fia Baby]

I cooked a syrup with sugar, filtered water, and a bit of corn starch to thicken, pulled the meds into the syringe first, then pulled up an equal amount of the syrup. I kept the syrup in the fridge, and replaced it often.

 

[Brittany0208]

Okay, thank you

 

[Feather]

Java just got 2 weeks' worth of Baytril yesterday, and he starts shaking his head as soon as he puts it in his mouth, so I'm sure a lot of it is being wasted. What could I mix it with so he actually takes it?

You can mix it into peanut butter and see if he likes that.

 

[Tiel Feathers]

I agree that conventional medicine might be your best bet if your bird is so sick and holistic things aren’t working fast enough. Also, make sure you change the water at least once a day. Here is the link to a holistic avian vet. He takes phone consultations for a fee. I have talked with him, and he is very knowledgeable.
I hope your poor bird will be okay!
WellVet.com

 

[Brittany0208]

You can mix it into peanut butter and see if he likes that.

Could I mix it with unflavored Pedialyte to dilute the bitterness?

 

[iamwhoiam]

Hope your budgie will get better. I would recommend going back to the same vet or to another vet. I have done both holistic and conventional medicine. I tried colloidal silver and felt that it was not effective. The other things I've used have depended on what is going on with the bird such as milk thistle/aloe detox for liver problems, ginger for nausea and vomiting, etc. However I do take my birds to the vet when they are ill and I use the medications prescribed by the vet as well as alternative treatments as long as they are not contraindicated.

 

[Fia Baby]

@Brittany0208 Personally I like it thickened. It's so easy to aspirate a thin liquid, especially if there's any struggle.

 

[iamwhoiam]

Could I mix it with unflavored Pedialyte to dilute the bitterness?

You can draw up the Baytril and then a small amount of unsweetened apple juice and see if that works. If he likes almond butter you can put some of that on a small piece of toast or another treat that he likes and then put the Baytril on top but you need to make sure he eats the entire part that has the Baytril on it.

 

[Brittany0208]

You can draw up the Baytril and then a small amount of unsweetened apple juice and see if that works. If he likes almond butter you can put some of that on a small piece of toast or another treat that he likes and then put the Baytril on top but you need to make sure he eats the entire part that has the Baytril in it.

Okay, I'll give that a shot. I just gave him his last dose with some baby food, and he wasn't having it. I'll see what I have stashed away that could cover up that bitterness. Thank you.

 

[Shezbug]

@TinaLoui, how is your bird doing now?

 

[Sylvester]

Praying for a miracle here. Come on birdie, make one happen.

 

[Crazy4parrots]

I agree that conventional medicine might be your best bet if your bird is so sick and holistic things aren’t working fast enough. Also, make sure you change the water at least once a day. Here is the link to a holistic avian vet. He takes phone consultations for a fee. I have talked with him, and he is very knowledgeable.
I hope your poor bird will be okay!
WellVet.com

Thats what i was going to write about... Holistic works but only in mild cases and it takes longer...but if the animal is too sick the best is to take it to a vet. For the right treatment.

 

[TinaLoui]

They won't say it on the box, but cheap seed is cheap for a reason sometimes.

The bad seed from the supermarket was actually $5 for 2kg whereas the good seed from the animal produce store was $7 for 5kg....so while it may have been "cheap" seed it certainly wasn't "cheaper" seed.

I've never bought antibiotics without going to the vet. Pet stores won't carry it because they don't want people using them for the wrong reasons or wrong animals

Turns out my local pet store stocks Vetafarm Triple C antibiotics. They were out of stock but gave me some of their own that they feed their birds with.

I'm bookmarking that site!! And baytril is terribly bitter - unless this is already in a flavored syrup, you may need to add that, or your bird may not take it. I had a hard time with that with my cockatoo until I made a sweet syrup to put it in.

Did you try syringing it? I have it in Snowy's water supply as well. I've heard raspberry juice is very good so maybe I could add a bit of fresh raspberry to the water to overcome any bitterness??

 

[TinaLoui]

I have taken everything else out of the water and given Snowy Vetafram Triple C, Coccivet and Spark. Added to her drinking water and syringing 2-3 p/day. Pet store suggested I even leave her be a few days between doses to prevent stress but I don't know if I can afford to do that while she is as crook as she is....such a hard call. I will play it by ear.

 

[Shezbug]

Can you call the vet and ask what their suggestion is with the dosage of the antibiotics. I believe antibiotics should not be taken then stopped for a few days break.....they need to be constantly in the system to be of best help. The vet may be happy to help you out with recommended doses, to be honest I personally would be more comfortable taking advice from a vet than a pet store worker/owner.

Either way I hope it helps your bird to feel better

 

[TinaLoui]

Thankyou I appreciate your concern. The antibiotics are still being administered in her water and I guess if her urine shows she is dehydrated than that will tell me if she is drinking it or not.
I actually trust the pet store more than the vet funnily enough as the vet was not about to tell me that I could buy a broad spectrum antibiotics without paying for the privilege of having the vet be the one to prescribe it. Further to that the petfood store practically gave me half of the products for free because I believe they genuinely cared about my bird. Likewise yet another produce store told me that if the bird dies I could bring back in the birdseed and they would refund us. The stores want to sell me something that works and will bring repeat business the vet wants to sell me his time and expertise which may be no different to the expertise of someone who cares for birds...such as my local pet store that has a large aviary of birds they care for. Keeping in mind my local vets are not avian vets to there guess could be as good as anyone's and more than twice the price for their guess. I feel much the same way about doctors and specialists for humans...worth their weight in gold when they tell you something that is actually helpful but I have seen so many doctors and specialsits myself for disease management in which I was no better off for their advice afterwards that it can sometimes cause you to weigh up whether or not the fees are going to be money well spent. It's not always an easy call to make but it is the dilemma.

 

[MagpieDragon]

Hopefully your fid gets better

You've done a good job on going to the vet immediately and exploring all ur options too, so well done
However, if she does survive, you may want to consider a change in diet, perhaps to pellets instead of seed (I feed my birds vetafarm maintenance diet) and chop (vegetables, which I gather you have already been feeding.

Good luck!