To clip or not to clip?

[Shinobi]

Got it, don't be a feminist here. Message received captain. And btw it was your bff who brought up the word snowflake, not me. Furthermore, "mansplaining" means a man explaining to a woman things she already knows. If you don't enjoy being called out in it I suggest you check yourself.

Serious question, are you a mod here @Shinobi ?

Once again you are being patronising towards others. So what it called when a woman explains things to a man that he already knows?
BTW I don't have a bff here so that why I included snowflake. Politics, religion and gender shouldn't be here and if I wanted to debate these subjects I go onto facebook. I was putting across it to all PEOPLE that we should have empathy towards their birds in regards to wing clipping.

 

[Jenphilly]

Being involved with shelter and rescue birds, I have unique stance.... I see both sides of fence.

I personally only clip for safety - be it bird or human safety. If you have an evil large Amazon that will fly thru 2 rooms to attack the 'enemy'... well sorry that sucker gets clipped, I live with health considerations that affect my response/ reflexes and my balance, dodging a Mealey size green turkey vulture is not a safe endeavor.... on the other hand, I would never clip Max.... ivory the BE2 gets clipped when she in hormonal behavior because she will get to a very high unreachable space in our open floor plan. For those times, recall does not work, so for safety, she gets a light clip tho she's an ace flier with one wing tied behind her back!

At the shelter, birds who fly all the time are clipped especially little ones that could easily fly into or onto a macaw cage and end in devastation.... but a rescue trying to socialize over 100 birds is an exceptional situation, so not far to judge clipping for safety in that environment.

I am not a fan of clipping, but reality, there are times safety needs to be considered...

 

[Just-passn-thru]

Being involved with shelter and rescue birds, I have unique stance.... I see both sides of fence.

I personally only clip for safety - be it bird or human safety. If you have an evil large Amazon that will fly thru 2 rooms to attack the 'enemy'... well sorry that sucker gets clipped, I live with health considerations that affect my response/ reflexes and my balance, dodging a Mealey size green turkey vulture is not a safe endeavor.... on the other hand, I would never clip Max.... ivory the BE2 gets clipped when she in hormonal behavior because she will get to a very high unreachable space in our open floor plan. For those times, recall does not work, so for safety, she gets a light clip tho she's an ace flier with one wing tied behind her back!

At the shelter, birds who fly all the time are clipped especially little ones that could easily fly into or onto a macaw cage and end in devastation.... but a rescue trying to socialize over 100 birds is an exceptional situation, so not far to judge clipping for safety in that environment.

I am not a fan of clipping, but reality, there are times safety needs to be considered...

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU...For so eloquently putting this thread where it belongs, once again ,common sense.

 

[Shinobi]

Being involved with shelter and rescue birds, I have unique stance.... I see both sides of fence.

I personally only clip for safety - be it bird or human safety. If you have an evil large Amazon that will fly thru 2 rooms to attack the 'enemy'... well sorry that sucker gets clipped, I live with health considerations that affect my response/ reflexes and my balance, dodging a Mealey size green turkey vulture is not a safe endeavor.... on the other hand, I would never clip Max.... ivory the BE2 gets clipped when she in hormonal behavior because she will get to a very high unreachable space in our open floor plan. For those times, recall does not work, so for safety, she gets a light clip tho she's an ace flier with one wing tied behind her back!

At the shelter, birds who fly all the time are clipped especially little ones that could easily fly into or onto a macaw cage and end in devastation.... but a rescue trying to socialize over 100 birds is an exceptional situation, so not far to judge clipping for safety in that environment.

I am not a fan of clipping, but reality, there are times safety needs to be considered...

Wow you actually work at a shelter for rescued birds and you have an evil large Amazon that will fly thru two rooms to attack you. If you know that this bird, or any others will most likely attack you or anyone else. THEN WHY ARE YOU LETTING THESE AGGRESSIVE BIRDS OUT OF THEIR CAGES TO FLY AROUND AND ATTACK PEOPLE AND OTHER BIRDS? and on top of that you're using this as an justifiable excuse to wing clip the bird 'FOR SAFETY REASONS'. Well at least you're not looking after big cats or bears. If these birds are aggressive then either temporarily confine them to a cage or preferably an aviary until a suitable solution is reached.

By letting out an aggressive bird is neither SAFE or RESPONSIBLE. I have to wonder what kind of shelter for rescued birds would allow to have smaller birds access to larger birds enclosures. Maybe the rescue shelter should focus on finding suitable arrangements for the 100 plus birds instead of trying to socialise them. Yes I do know that a lot of re-homed birds usually have behavioural issues and that's why you confine the aggressive ones.

Here's an idea, either conduct in the cage training or arrange for the aggressive birds to be sent to a sanctuary where it can live out its life free, flighted and away from humans. because in all reality there are times when the best thing for the bird needs to be considered.

 

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