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The BS you deal with when owning a Pit Bull!!

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I'm one of those people who has always owned a dog. It is important to me and the short time I've been without a dog when one of mine has died, I stop people on the street and ask if I can touch/hug their dog, if it allows it.

But I never try to convince someone that the breed(s) I like should be the breed(s) they like or even that they should own a dog. I do have a bit less comfort around non-dog owners, but that is just me.

What difference does it make if someone doesn't like they type of dog I have?

I've had many awful neighbors who have been mean to my dogs but I never considered they were mean because of the BREED of dog -- I think they were just mean people.
 

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Judas is beautiful and looks like a sweetie as do the other dogs here. And that is horrible what your neighbour did to you and others! And Ron - just awful! :mad:

I think I've only been bitten by one dog and it was small, light coloured, possibly a terrier or terrier mix. It was a very long time ago and it hurt my feelings more than anything.

I've met some Dobermans that were big sucks. I love German Shepherds but have met a couple very aggressive ones. The nastiest dog I've met was a chihuahua that belonged to the sister & roommate of a guy I dated. The dog hated him and he had to wear big gloves to handle it as it was vicious! Maybe he wasn't nice to it, I don't know.

I don't think pit bulls should all be put down. Obviously some are very nice dogs. My uncle had at least a couple. One day my parents were visiting around Christmas and my uncle was moving his pit bull from one room to another. It had bitten people before so he used a leash. The dog appeared happy, wagging his tail and then latched on to my mom's forearm and wouldn't let go. My uncle was a pretty strong guy and couldn't hold him back or get him off. The dog tore most of the flesh from my mom's forearm. Some plastic surgery and many years later she still has a huge scar about 8" x 2" and a bit of a flat spot that's a lot better than it was for years.

It kind of turned me off the breed. I don't think my uncle trained it this way as he had it put down after. It probably came to him that way from who knows where. But the fact is, they can be unpredictable. They can get a taste for blood. And they do lots of damage if they choose to bite.

I do agree that many mixed breeds can be mistaken for pit bulls. And that the media hypes up everything they can. And that any breed can have good examples and bad ones. But I still wouldn't own a pit bull.
 
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What do we tell every new potential bird owner? Research, research, research! Don't buy a bird because you like how it looks. Well, don't buy a dog for that reason either.

Not everyone would want to own my dog, nor should they. If my mother were her owner, Vana would be controlling the house.

You really should be well versed in the reason the breed was created, it's general characteristic and evaluate whether this is really the right breed for you and your family. Now we do all know there are exceptions so meeting dogs at breeder's, shelters, etc, is a good plan. And usually rescues do a very long and thorough evaluation of a dog and try to match the right dog with the right situation.

Dalmatians were bred to run along coaches and guard them. Coaches have been replaced by cars now :) They have extreme energy and running needs, and they need a job to replace the one that is no longer available for them. You do need a large yard and to throw balls and frisbees for them, or take them jogging. And you can't be upset if they are running through your house like horses and jumping over all the furniture :D If you can't meet those needs or don't want to, I'd look at a different breed!
 

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Or standing on the kitchen table at the very least! (from another thread in case anyone missed it)
Yes, that dog was ruling the house! And he was a Dalmatian. Vana is much bigger and I'd say possibly more tenacious than Toby was.

Since then she has had a full size Collie (possibly the gentlest and best large family dog there is; they can't even BE trained to be aggressive), and now a Lab. Those are much better breeds for her personality.
 

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We had Schnauzers that were like that. They'd let ANYONE in the house ...just don't leave w/o an escort! :rofl:
NOW you reminded me of Preto (Black) my grandparents Heinz 57 dog, he didn't bite, didn't bark, didn't attack - he simply stood between the intruder (or innocent) visitor with his teeth bared and his hackles up. I saw it happen to a female friend (we were 13ish) and she'd stopped by when we were napping. So, she walked around the side of the house to my bedroom window and called for me (open window, single story house). I heard Andreia and got up to talk to he only to spot Preto standing a couple of feet behind her, teeth bared, hackles up without a sound ... as soon as I called to him, he realized everything was okay and went and lay down. Gran told me afterwards that that was Preto's mo - he'd let people in but no-one was leaving unless Granny or Papa walked them out. He knew who was family because we visited every other summer and he always recognized us, hung out with us, went for walks with us but he knew who didn't belong. And the day he had to have maggots removed from his ear after being involved in a dog fight over a female dog in heat, he was a total lamb. Granted I was there holding & petting him while the young vet removed the maggots on my grandparents veranda. Childhood memories are priceless ... :heart::rolleyes::heart:
 

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I've grown up with dogs, different breeds...Boxers, poodles, Afghan/Golden Retriever mix (my heart dog, RIP), Black Lab Mix (the dog from hell), Sheltie and now a beagle/terrier mix along with my granddog (another type of terrier mix). I love dogs, all dogs, though I prefer some over others. I admit to being "the Dog Ruiner". I have spoiled and ruined every dog I have ever had. I am terrible at discipline, I am terrible at being consistant, terrible at setting limits, and terrible at staying mad. All the dog has to do is give me "that look" and I'm done. So what if he ate the couch, so what if he jumps on people, so what if he won't get off the chewed up couch. I admit it, I suck. Dogs don't listen to me. I don't have that 'voice' (unless I'm vacuuming and Tucker is biting at the vacuum). I suck at training. As much as I love Pits, and Rotties and Dobies and Labs and GSDs, I know I will never own one. Not because I am afraid of the dog, but because I am afraid of what I would turn the dog into, a big giant dog with no manners, one who walk me on a leash.

Even knowing I will never have one of these beautiful animals in my life I still find it offensive to judge an entire breed by the actions of a few. I find BSL laws offensive and heartbreaking. In some cities, if one of these breeds of dogs are picked up, it's instant death and that is sooooo wrong. And they don't even have to prove it's the breed on the list, it just has to 'look' like one. Legislator's need to get educated and not lump every look a like dog together.

I've met some awesome Pits, Rotties, Chows, Dobies and the only issues I've had were from the ones that were chained up on a 3ft chain to a keg or dog house. That would cause aggression in a poodle. I taught my children to approach ALL dogs, no matter how big or small, to 1) ask owner's permission 2) approach cautiously 3) to remember that ALL dogs can bite, even if the owner swears his/her dog doesn't bite. 4) never approach a dog without an adult present.

The Media pisses me off on different subjects daily. I'll stop here, lol
 

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Hi guys, I haven't posted in a few months, but I'm still on the site reading a lot.

I just wanted to state a few things about the Clifton dog bite (30 year) "study" & dogsbite.org. Neither should be used to draw conclusions on whether or not specific breeds should live, die or be confiscated. There are numerous rebuttals to "facts" on the website, and the so called report that was published by Clifton. It's bad science and it’s a slap in the face to real scientists that put forth hard work and dedicated man hours into actual research. Regardless of anyone's feelings about any breed of dog, please don't take anything from Colleen Lynn (dogsbite.org) or Merritt Clifton (Clifton Report)as real research backed up by hard facts. Neither the website nor the "study" offer hard facts backed up by legitimate ground truthing. A google search will lead to hundreds of rebuttals that actually post data on how facts on the website and facts in the Clifton report are, at best, flawed and at worst a blatant misuse of data to reach the conclusion the author wanted to reach. Even the CDC disputes said “research”. I work for a true science-based organization and nothing is more aggravating than seeing rubbish published in the name of science. It gives all science a bad name.

The only true, long term study on breed & dog bites was compiled by the CDC between the years of 1979 & 1998. The CDC published the report and later found that people like Ms. Lynn on dogsbite.org misconstrued the findings & ignored the CDC's own conclusion by claiming the report states that pit bulls have a higher propensity to bite, even though the published report specifically stated it was the CDC’s conclusion through their research in putting the report together, that breed is not a factor in aggression and it is their belief that BSL does nothing to prevent dog attacks. The CDC even released a post-report statement about the fact that so many people claimed the report showed the exact opposite of what the CDC concluded from their own report.

Every person has the right to choose what pet is the best for them, but when people's opinions fuel hate that turns into mass death sentences, torture, and general lack of empathy for a living being, and those opinions are not based on facts but on "I saw it on the news" ideology, then we all have a problem. The media is biased, several respected organizations have kept track of media reports of dog bites/attacks and the examples they've published are mind blowing on how egregious it is. It is something that effects everyone because it’s a red herring. It gets people to focus on breed and breed specific legislation (which is costing millions of taxpayer dollars and failing miserably on a wide scale) and ignoring the fact that we need real research into how to effectively educate the public about how to prevent dog bites, for both dog owners and non-owners. As well as laws that force people to be a responsible dog owner so said dog will not become a burden on society. (On a different subject, the amount of trust the public puts in the media to inform them about world & local events and tell them the truth is horribly scary for the future of our world. There's been plenty of published research into the media and the "accurate" reporting they do and it's out there for people to find.)

The more people admit to hating or being scared of specific breeds, the more politicians choose to get involved to get votes, the more politicians get involved, the more people in the general public who otherwise didn’t care or weren’t buying into it start to believe there really is something to be feared and the more people that fear a particular breed of dog, the more irresponsible people are drawn to that breed. The more irresponsible people are drawn to that breed, the more irresponsible owners there are of said breed. The more irresponsible owners there are, the more populous that breed becomes because irresponsible owners are more likely to breed indiscriminately and to allow their dogs to wander frequently. Also, the more irresponsible owners there are, the more untrained, unsocialized dogs there are in the population. The more irresponsible owners there are also contributes greatly to the number of stray dogs running around since irresponsible owners don’t care about their responsibilities to the dog when they become tired of it or don’t want it any longer, for whatever reason. Combine the high stray count with a high possibility of fear from humans that the strays will encounter and you have a higher number of mistreatment of these dogs by the humans that encounter them because people in fear many times react negatively out of fear for their safety, throwing rocks, screaming at, kicking at stray dogs to get them to go away. This can lead to a lot of strays that are wary, fearful or aggressive towards all humans. It’s a vicious cycle. The amount of pit bulls (more accurately-the amount of dogs that look like pit bulls but who are really who knows what) in shelters that are euthanized each year is atrocious because there are just so, so, so many of them compared to other breeds because of the way we, as a culture, have demoted them to unworthy status and left them to mostly irresponsible owners. Not to mention the very real data that shows when a high percentage of a population hate/mistrust anything (be it a particular race or religious sect of humans, a plant, a type of animal or a breed of dog) the more people think they are justified in mistreating/abusing/killing/torturing object of said hate and the more people are willing to turn a blind eye to other peoples mistreatment of said object. THAT’s a slippery road to go down, as history has shown us.

I applaud responsible, loving owners of any bull breed. I lost a dog earlier in the year that was very dear to my heart. She wasn’t a pit bull but had a slight block head. Looked nothing like a pit bull, but I had at least 3 specific instances of people being downright mean and rude to me and her because they thought she was ‘pit’ and judged her in a split second based on looks and felt the need to tell me all about how one day my dog will turn on someone and kill them, or that ‘the only good pit is a dead pit’ ‘don’t ever let that pit loose around here or you won’t ever her find’. She was dna tested. Came back Aus. Cattle Dog/Border Collie. 50/50 split. (she looked pure cattle dog, so her DNA test makes sense). She was even a Canine Good Citizen. Didn’t matter, the only thing that mattered to these people was that she looked like a pit to them. Her perfect behavior meant zilch. The sad thing is, as I stated, she looked nothing like a pit so I had far less people judging me or my dog than the average pit owner who has a pit that looks like a pit. I truly feel bad for what real bull breed owners go through on a regular basis from a very bias public that ignores the true problem of dog bites and focuses on something that does nothing to solve the issue and feels it's their duty to spread the hate.
 
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My favourite bully breeds are miniature bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers and bullmastiffs... aye yai yai, they are so gorgeous! Sorry, just had to post this, I'm daydreaming about bully breeds now... I should be sleeping! :)
 

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Hi guys, I haven't posted in a few months, but I'm still on the site reading a lot.

I just wanted to state a few things about the Clifton dog bite (30 year) "study" & dogbites.org. Neither should be used to draw conclusions on whether or not specific breeds should live, die or be confiscated. There are numerous rebuttals to "facts" on the website, and the so called report that was published by Clifton. It's bad science and it’s a slap in the face to real scientists that put forth hard work and dedicated man hours into actual research. Regardless of anyone's feelings about any breed of dog, please don't take anything from Colleen Lynn (dogbites.org) or Merritt Clifton (Clifton Report)as real research backed up by hard facts. Neither the website nor the "study" offer hard facts backed up by legitimate ground truthing. A google search will lead to hundreds of rebuttals that actually post data on how facts on the website and facts in the Clifton report are, at best, flawed and at worst a blatant misuse of data to reach the conclusion the author wanted to reach. Even the CDC disputes said “research”. I work for a true science-based organization and nothing is more aggravating than seeing rubbish published in the name of science. It gives all science a bad name.

The only true, long term study on breed & dog bites was compiled by the CDC between the years of 1979 & 1998. The CDC published the report and later found that people like Ms. Lynn on dogbites.org misconstrued the findings & ignored the CDC's own conclusion by claiming the report states that pit bulls have a higher propensity to bite, even though the published report specifically stated it was the CDC’s conclusion through their research in putting the report together, that breed is not a factor in aggression and it is their belief that BSL does nothing to prevent dog attacks. The CDC even released a post-report statement about the fact that so many people claimed the report showed the exact opposite of what the CDC concluded from their own report.

Every person has the right to choose what pet is the best for them, but when people's opinions fuel hate that turns into mass death sentences, torture, and general lack of empathy for a living being, and those opinions are not based on facts but on "I saw it on the news" ideology, then we all have a problem. The media is biased, several respected organizations have kept track of media reports of dog bites/attacks and the examples they've published are mind blowing on how egregious it is. It is something that effects everyone because it’s a red herring. It gets people to focus on breed and breed specific legislation (which is costing millions of taxpayer dollars and failing miserably on a wide scale) and ignoring the fact that we need real research into how to effectively educate the public about how to prevent dog bites, for both dog owners and non-owners. As well as laws that force people to be a responsible dog owner so said dog will not become a burden on society. (On a different subject, the amount of trust the public puts in the media to inform them about world & local events and tell them the truth is horribly scary for the future of our world. There's been plenty of published research into the media and the "accurate" reporting they do and it's out there for people to find.)

The more people admit to hating or being scared of specific breeds, the more politicians choose to get involved to get votes, the more politicians get involved, the more people in the general public who otherwise didn’t care or weren’t buying into it start to believe there really is something to be feared and the more people that fear a particular breed of dog, the more irresponsible people are drawn to that breed. The more irresponsible people are drawn to that breed, the more irresponsible owners there are of said breed. The more irresponsible owners there are, the more populous that breed becomes because irresponsible owners are more likely to breed indiscriminately and to allow their dogs to wander frequently. Also, the more irresponsible owners there are, the more untrained, unsocialized dogs there are in the population. The more irresponsible owners there are also contributes greatly to the number of stray dogs running around since irresponsible owners don’t care about their responsibilities to the dog when they become tired of it or don’t want it any longer, for whatever reason. Combine the high stray count with a high possibility of fear from humans that the strays will encounter and you have a higher number of mistreatment of these dogs by the humans that encounter them because people in fear many times react negatively out of fear for their safety, throwing rocks, screaming at, kicking at stray dogs to get them to go away. This can lead to a lot of strays that are wary, fearful or aggressive towards all humans. It’s a vicious cycle. The amount of pit bulls (more accurately-the amount of dogs that look like pit bulls but who are really who knows what) in shelters that are euthanized each year is atrocious because there are just so, so, so many of them compared to other breeds because of the way we, as a culture, have demoted them to unworthy status and left them to mostly irresponsible owners. Not to mention the very real data that shows when a high percentage of a population hate/mistrust anything (be it a particular race or religious sect of humans, a plant, a type of animal or a breed of dog) the more people think they are justified in mistreating/abusing/killing/torturing object of said hate and the more people are willing to turn a blind eye to other peoples mistreatment of said object. THAT’s a slippery road to go down, as history has shown us.

I applaud responsible, loving owners of any bull breed. I lost a dog earlier in the year that was very dear to my heart. She wasn’t a pit bull but had a slight block head. Looked nothing like a pit bull, but I had at least 3 specific instances of people being downright mean and rude to me and her because they thought she was ‘pit’ and judged her in a split second based on looks and felt the need to tell me all about how one day my dog will turn on someone and kill them, or that ‘the only good pit is a dead pit’ ‘don’t ever let that pit loose around here or you won’t ever her find’. She was dna tested. Came back Aus. Cattle Dog/Border Collie. 50/50 split. (she looked pure cattle dog, so her DNA test makes sense). She was even a Canine Good Citizen. Didn’t matter, the only thing that mattered to these people was that she looked like a pit to them. Her perfect behavior meant zilch. The sad thing is, as I stated, she looked nothing like a pit so I had far less people judging me or my dog than the average pit owner who has a pit that looks like a pit. I truly feel bad for what real bull breed owners go through on a regular basis from a very bias public that ignores the true problem of dog bites and focuses on something that does nothing to solve the issue and feels it's their duty to spread the hate.
All I can say to you is thank you!! What a very informative post you made. I must you have done your research very well. I never started this thread to attract any negative or to have any fighting. As you said very clearly above it is all about RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP OF ANY BREED!!
 

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Tiger, I know you didn't think all this would happen :hug8:

Pitbulls are very controversial though, as you know, and from your own personal experience, too. People are bound to have opinions and get worked up. Kind of like seed vs pellets on a bird forum or asking what oil to use on a motorcycle forum (don't do it :hehe: ).

Just enjoy your dog, try to ignore your neighbor (it's just not their business if the dog is not at their house or running loose in the neighborhood).
 

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I didn't think anyone was worked up, just that people have different opinions. I didn't see anyone say they agree with BSL, only that some prefer not to have certain breeds.
 

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My favourite bully breeds are miniature bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers and bullmastiffs... aye yai yai, they are so gorgeous! Sorry, just had to post this, I'm daydreaming about bully breeds now... I should be sleeping! :)
Hubby wants a Staffordshire as our next dog. My Mom grew up with one - looked like the dog from the Little Rascals.
 

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I didn't think anyone was worked up, just that people have different opinions. I didn't see anyone say they agree with BSL, only that some prefer not to have certain breeds.
I thought it was a very civil conversation as well.

I think maybe Tiger didn't expect to see this many posts or opinions expressed?
 

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Judas is beautiful :) I foster bully breeds, and have fallen in love with pit bulls because of their goofy, sweet personalities. Some members of my family are SO terrified of him, but when they bring their kids over, it was my smaller dog I had to warn them about. Most of the pitties I've fostered are sweet, lovable dogs that would never be aggressive without overt antagonizing.
 

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a lot of it is knowing what you can and will do with your dog and knowing what the breed was designed to do. i like the giant breeds because they tend to be 100 mile an hour couch potatoes. they will go out, exercise and play like crazy once or twice a day, then crash out, at least in my experience.

the dog i have now is an english mastiff mix, and one of the best dogs i've had FOR ME. since i was his 4th home before he was a year old, he evidently was too much for the others who had him. he is insecure to the point of trying to hide in public, but in his home he is a biter when it comes to new people. i LIKE that. this neighborhood is not as safe as it once was and i feel much safer having a 90 pound dog that doesn't like intruders. several months ago when my husband was not home someone was blatantly trying to break into the front door in the middle of the day....until i let Domino out of the bedroom, snarling, barking, growling.....who knows what may have happened to me without my Domino-dog.

he has issues....he will destroy any bed pillows or blankets he can find, and he loves to chew up the toilet paper. the answer to this is simply to make sure the doors are shut when we are not home, but these are issues we can handle. maybe for someone else they would be total deal breakers. i don't think Domino would fit in in a home where they had a lot of visitors, but we have an extraordinarily quiet house and it works for us.

it's the same with every dog of any breed or mix. you have to know what you can and will handle and put up with. it's not a pitbull issue but an owner issue.
 

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I love pitties, though my favorites are what Shel called "100 mph couch potatoes". My family owned 2 saint bernards, who are absolute sweethearts. That being said, I know a pitbull who is owned by a friend of mine with a baby. From birth, the baby would cuddle with the pittie, and as he grew, he hugged and cuddled the dog, pulled at his ears, and beat the drum on the dog's rear :hehe:. Still, the baby was the dog's family, and the dog was always following the baby in the early stages of walking, to make sure he didn't fall.

It's all in the raising of the dog-- obviously just as many bad owners have raised vicious chi's, beagles, daschunds, etc. But when a bad owner raises a dog with that absolute jaw power, of course it turns dangerous and deadly. If mistreated or raised sloppily, a pit bull can become a dangerous weapon with a mind of its own-- the solution should not be to go after pitbulls, but to go after the owners. People who raise/breed the dogs should be EXHAUSTIVE in their background checking, knowing that a bad owner can turn the dog's life into tragedy, as well as the owners'. This should ideally be the case with any dog, but of course, a bully breed or any other breed with large power in their jaws is particularly dangerous in the hands of a bad owner.

What we're raising were once wild. Dogs were once predators, and so it is not surprising that all dogs have it in them to defend themselves when threatened using tooth and claw. A responsible owner understands that, and makes the dog feel like it has nothing to fear. That it is safe. That it is loved.
 

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Why do people have the need to label things?????? I have never understood this. Labeling people or animals is wrong and it scars them for life. Bully dogs? You mean bully owners who have not trained their dogs right are bullies and irresponsible.
 
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