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What do you do when your bird "chooses" someone other than their owner/you as their favorite/mate (even another bird) ? What circumstances have these situations occurred under? Does it turn against you afterwards? What did you do in response? Do you allow your parrot to think of you or others as its mate or do you try to make sure it knows the relationship is platonic? (I mean bond, not anything sexual)

If your bird has NEVER done something like choose someone else they like better, maybe share what your relationship with the bird is like and how often they are given the chance to do something like that.

Do you think how well-socialized the bird is makes a difference?

I'm not exactly asking for advice, I'm asking because I wanted to know what you parrot trainers/owners' experiences are with this and what methods you might've used to "fix" it, whether those methods were successful, etc. because I see it happen a LOT and I thought maybe an in depth, open discussion about it could be helpful to others with the same issues.

I'm pretty educated on bird hormones and no no zones; that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm more so curious about the nature of this behavior, and other's experiences with it and what they did/do about it.
 
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I haven't had a big issue with it. Pogo was my bird and preferred me but loved my ex-h almost as much, if not the same. He snuggled better with him but would also snuggle with me. He would also go sit on visitors if I handed him to them. My mom came over often so he would sit on her lap and get drinks from her glass (which I discouraged). :rolleyes:

Darwin is so outgoing but when new people come over he clams right up and acts shy. But he's not shy with my bf. He is often on his shoulder. I think he prefers his shoulder as they are broader without all the hair in the way. But he prefers me, he is my little buddy.

Itsy loves me but prefers my bf. She seeks him out and will fly laps when he comes in the door. She has flown upstairs looking for him a couple of times. She will step up for him when I can't get her to. But she is still sweet with me and I can still do anything like do her nails, give meds, etc.

Tiki is nervous of everyone but me and her previous owners.

Quack usually prefers men but she is in hormonal mode right now and tries to feed me. She likes my bf but doesn't flirt with him like she has with other men she has seen. It's probably best as she can bite pretty hard and I wouldn't want my bf to be the one to have to deal with her as I don't think it would go well.

So I haven't really had to deal with the rejection that some people do when they lose their baby to someone else. Pogo was the only one I had from a baby and he probably would have switched allegiance if my ex-h and I had stayed together. But I don't think he would have hated me or rejected me as he already liked both of us a lot.

I do think socialization helps. Quack is kind of my shy bird but she loves having company and really performs for them! It used to be she would just be all excited after they left, like she wanted to talk about the fun visit but now she will whistle and dance and be crazy for visitors. :D
 

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A small tale about Sunshine Tiel, who came to us last April. The first few months (which included quarantine time) Sunshine was very attracted to my wife. He'd fly out of his cage and right to her. I was hoping he'd establish a strong bond with her, like Milton has with me and Titan had with Marty.
Late summer, he started to get much more interest in me. Nothing had changed in the household, except Sunshine was now integrated into the front room with the other birds. Sunshine began to actively seek me out, rather than Kathy. He didn't "turn" on her, just wouldn't stay with her for any time, he would begin to flock call, then actively try to seek me out.

It did disappoint me because I hoped Sunshine would've accepted Kathy as his "favorite"...now I have two birds (Sunshine & Milton) jockeying for my attention all day!
 

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All of my tiels are comfortable with everyone in our house, but are a little shy around strangers. Even though they will hang out with anyone, they do have their favorites.

Twilight loves Sunset, but he really likes to hang out on me as long as she is near. He is very hands off, but is still a sweetie to me. He gets nervous around everybody else except for one of my daughters, but will still go to anybody if Sunset does first.

Sunset really likes everyone.

Cappuccino really likes me, and is the least comfortable with my two daughters. My husband is just okay in his eyes. He also really likes Niko.

Niko adores my husband, but she likes most people. She's not that into other birds.

All of them were hand raised, and I'm not sure why some are more hands on than others.

Cappuccino and Niko like scratches, but Sunset does only once in a while. Twilight not at all.

I think they all enjoy being around me because I make sure to interact with each of them individually throughout the day.
 

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What do you do when your bird "chooses" someone other than their owner/you as their favorite/mate (even another bird) ?
There's not much you can do. "Everyone" chooses their own friends. Is it possible to make friends with the "enemy"? Certainly but it has to be "earned" and in cases like this it is a slow process because it takes time. There is no shortcut to time.

Pretty well all the questions you've asked are answered very well in this article. Give it a read.

Site Name - Articles - Behavioral - Sex And The Psittacine
 

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I think as @JLcribber said, you can improve a not so good relationship but I think the chosen one is the chosen one. I was my tiel's person. He liked other people. Would greet them. Show off for them. Even let them hold him for a bit but he never wanted to stay with them long before he wanted to come back to me. Now, my fiancé on the hand, my tiel initially did not like at all. But with time and patience, they became friends. And Sunny would happily sit with him, nap with him, etc. if I wasn't around. But as soon as I came home, Sunny pretty much ignored him.
 

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This is very much the case with Buckbeak. He likes me and appreciates me, and we certainly have a good friendship. He will sing for me and perform tricks and occasionally fly to me so long as I'm the only human around. But as soon as my fiance is home, he gets into a trance. He HAS to be with my fiance. The only way he steps up for me when my fiance is in the room is if he thinks I am going to bring him over to my fiance. It's been great, actually - I have Buckbeak to thank for converting my fiance into a bird person. :)

Indy is more my bird. He is also friendly and sweet with my fiance, but he is more comfortable stepping up and asking for head scratches from me.
 

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All of my tiels are comfortable with everyone in our house, but are a little shy around strangers. Even though they will hang out with anyone, they do have their favorites.

Twilight loves Sunset, but he really likes to hang out on me as long as she is near. He is very hands off, but is still a sweetie to me. He gets nervous around everybody else except for one of my daughters, but will still go to anybody if Sunset does first.

Sunset really likes everyone.

Cappuccino really likes me, and is the least comfortable with my two daughters. My husband is just okay in his eyes. He also really likes Niko.

Niko adores my husband, but she likes most people. She's not that into other birds.

All of them were hand raised, and I'm not sure why some are more hands on than others.

Cappuccino and Niko like scratches, but Sunset does only once in a while. Twilight not at all.

I think they all enjoy being around me because I make sure to interact with each of them individually throughout the day.
Sounds like a very happy flock of tiels you have there...;)
 

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I honestly can't tell you because I live alone and have one tiel. Buddy my first tiel loved men but when she had enough, she always came to me. I have had Bella since she was 7 weeks old and had to hand feed her so I am hers. She will go to people but wants to come back to me as soon as possible. From the stories I have read, I don't think that you can change the bird's "person" but you can take steps to get the bird to accept you.
 

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For me, that would be Jayde.

I can't say she was well socialized. Heck, I don't even know how her first family cared for her! But what I do know is that she prefers older (grandmotherly like) women who know how to sweet talk to her. I'm younger.... She came to me as a hands off bird who desperately wanted attention, but she is now very hands on! Despite having a close bond to her, if she ever gets on "Auntie K" (a fellow bird club member), Jayde wants nothing to do with me! Jayde only gets to see her, at most, once a month, although it's been several months now since she has seen "Auntie K". I haven't really "done" anything about it since I like the fact that Jayde is willing to visit other people and once back home, things go back to normal.

Now, if I could get her to like men just as much as she likes women, that'd be even better! Downside is that I'm not really close to any men-folk who'd be willing to interact with Jayde.
 

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Some Parrots like Amazons will choose one person but they should be well socialised so they still get along with everyone
 

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I haven't had a big issue with it. Pogo was my bird and preferred me but loved my ex-h almost as much, if not the same. He snuggled better with him but would also snuggle with me. He would also go sit on visitors if I handed him to them. My mom came over often so he would sit on her lap and get drinks from her glass (which I discouraged). :rolleyes:

Darwin is so outgoing but when new people come over he clams right up and acts shy. But he's not shy with my bf. He is often on his shoulder. I think he prefers his shoulder as they are broader without all the hair in the way. But he prefers me, he is my little buddy.

Itsy loves me but prefers my bf. She seeks him out and will fly laps when he comes in the door. She has flown upstairs looking for him a couple of times. She will step up for him when I can't get her to. But she is still sweet with me and I can still do anything like do her nails, give meds, etc.

Tiki is nervous of everyone but me and her previous owners.

Quack usually prefers men but she is in hormonal mode right now and tries to feed me. She likes my bf but doesn't flirt with him like she has with other men she has seen. It's probably best as she can bite pretty hard and I wouldn't want my bf to be the one to have to deal with her as I don't think it would go well.

So I haven't really had to deal with the rejection that some people do when they lose their baby to someone else. Pogo was the only one I had from a baby and he probably would have switched allegiance if my ex-h and I had stayed together. But I don't think he would have hated me or rejected me as he already liked both of us a lot.

I do think socialization helps. Quack is kind of my shy bird but she loves having company and really performs for them! It used to be she would just be all excited after they left, like she wanted to talk about the fun visit but now she will whistle and dance and be crazy for visitors. :D
Didn't have the time to get back straight away but I got more responses than I thought I would lol. Your birds all sound very cute and sweet :) I think that some birds prefer guys because of less hair all over, I think it annoys em haha. A U2 I know will groom women's hair back out of the way if it's down.

How old are all of your birds? Aka, are they mature? And all African Grays? I think that the particular species sometimes, not always, has to do with how strongly they bond and how friendly/one-person they are. I've also heard of Grays being more independent in general. On the flip side, do you pick favorites?

A small tale about Sunshine Tiel, who came to us last April. The first few months (which included quarantine time) Sunshine was very attracted to my wife. He'd fly out of his cage and right to her. I was hoping he'd establish a strong bond with her, like Milton has with me and Titan had with Marty.
Late summer, he started to get much more interest in me. Nothing had changed in the household, except Sunshine was now integrated into the front room with the other birds. Sunshine began to actively seek me out, rather than Kathy. He didn't "turn" on her, just wouldn't stay with her for any time, he would begin to flock call, then actively try to seek me out.

It did disappoint me because I hoped Sunshine would've accepted Kathy as his "favorite"...now I have two birds (Sunshine & Milton) jockeying for my attention all day!
Hmm. Thank you for sharing, this is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for when I posted; personal experiences. By nothing changed, though, what do you mean? When Sunshine was still in quarantine who fed him/saw him/played with him often? And when he moved with the others, was it that you started doing more with him? Maybe he was following Milton's lead - young birds learn from other birds. Or maybe it was that you were newer to him and thus interesting!

All of my tiels are comfortable with everyone in our house, but are a little shy around strangers. Even though they will hang out with anyone, they do have their favorites.

Twilight loves Sunset, but he really likes to hang out on me as long as she is near. He is very hands off, but is still a sweetie to me. He gets nervous around everybody else except for one of my daughters, but will still go to anybody if Sunset does first.

Sunset really likes everyone.

Cappuccino really likes me, and is the least comfortable with my two daughters. My husband is just okay in his eyes. He also really likes Niko.

Niko adores my husband, but she likes most people. She's not that into other birds.

All of them were hand raised, and I'm not sure why some are more hands on than others.

Cappuccino and Niko like scratches, but Sunset does only once in a while. Twilight not at all.

I think they all enjoy being around me because I make sure to interact with each of them individually throughout the day.
It is important to make an effort in being part of their day, but sometimes at the end of the day the birds don't care who gives them attention and will like whoever they like.

It's in interesting to hear from a multiple bird home just how individual each bird is, even when raised in virtually the same way and put in the same environment. What about you, do you favor one bird over the others?

There's not much you can do. "Everyone" chooses their own friends. Is it possible to make friends with the "enemy"? Certainly but it has to be "earned" and in cases like this it is a slow process because it takes time. There is no shortcut to time.

Pretty well all the questions you've asked are answered very well in this article. Give it a read.

Site Name - Articles - Behavioral - Sex And The Psittacine
JL, I have read multiple articles on the subject. My goal here is to see what others own experiences with these kind of things has been. Take it as a sort of research. Is it really so easy as just avoiding doing certain things to trigger their hormones?

I understand that things will take time when you aren't the chosen person, but does that have more to do with being "chosen" or does it have more to do with socialization/species/age/and more importantly how they were raised and how they are taught the way things are around the home. Most birds probably aren't used to having more than one person, so when another shows up they are greeted with indifference or worse (or even curiosity, in the bolder birds).

I'm interested in your personal relationships/changes with your birds if you're willing to share with me!

I think as @JLcribber said, you can improve a not so good relationship but I think the chosen one is the chosen one. I was my tiel's person. He liked other people. Would greet them. Show off for them. Even let them hold him for a bit but he never wanted to stay with them long before he wanted to come back to me. Now, my fiancé on the hand, my tiel initially did not like at all. But with time and patience, they became friends. And Sunny would happily sit with him, nap with him, etc. if I wasn't around. But as soon as I came home, Sunny pretty much ignored him.
I wonder why it is so often that this method works? The favorite person leaves the disliked person and the bird alone and suddenly the dynamic of the relationship changes. It's probably because when the favorite is there, the bird feels protective and must drive off any "rivals" to their attention. But what if it's not so much to do with that but rather socialization or just plain survival? Birds usually live in flocks, learn to live with each other without much fighting. The same should then be possible to attain with their human "flock", if the bird can learn that the more the merrier without driving one or more away from their "chosen". Easier said than done, though, especially since not all people are very bird friendly.

This is very much the case with Buckbeak. He likes me and appreciates me, and we certainly have a good friendship. He will sing for me and perform tricks and occasionally fly to me so long as I'm the only human around. But as soon as my fiance is home, he gets into a trance. He HAS to be with my fiance. The only way he steps up for me when my fiance is in the room is if he thinks I am going to bring him over to my fiance. It's been great, actually - I have Buckbeak to thank for converting my fiance into a bird person. :)

Indy is more my bird. He is also friendly and sweet with my fiance, but he is more comfortable stepping up and asking for head scratches from me.
I am in the same situation. A family bird that I take care of while everyone is away at work or school clams up around me and other women, but soon as there's any guy within earshot she goes bonkers for em and will even contact call - when, with me all day she's mostly quiet. Over time I've managed to gain acceptance of giving her head scritches and she will usually step up for me, however I'm wary since she's a bit of a "without warning" biter with ME personally haha. I do think that it has a lot to do with the fact that she's met some nasty, non bird savvy women (she's changed hands 4x).

What about you, why do you think your birds have a preference for you or fiancée?

I honestly can't tell you because I live alone and have one tiel. Buddy my first tiel loved men but when she had enough, she always came to me. I have had Bella since she was 7 weeks old and had to hand feed her so I am hers. She will go to people but wants to come back to me as soon as possible. From the stories I have read, I don't think that you can change the bird's "person" but you can take steps to get the bird to accept you.
Have you experienced a change in anything with her reaching maturity? If she has reached it. Sorry my reply is short, feel free to respond to anything else I said to someone else if you feel it could apply to your situation.

Some Parrots like Amazons will choose one person but they should be well socialised so they still get along with everyone
So how do you go about socializing your bird to keep it people friendly? Again, sorry for short response my fingers are tired haha.
 

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Well Oscar meets new people all the time and learns that good things come from them so that keeps him socialised and he interacts with the different people he lives with.
 

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Well Oscar meets new people all the time and learns that good things come from them so that keeps him socialised and he interacts with the different people he lives with.
Sounds simple enough! Positive reinforcement goes a very long way. And have you raised him or is he a rehome? As well, was he ever not good at all with other people?
 

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Sounds simple enough! Positive reinforcement goes a very long way. And have you raised him or is he a rehome? As well, was he ever not good at all with other people?
He will be 9 months soon I had him since 5 months old and he had only ever been around his breeder and he said he was always biting and wouldnt step up yet when we met him he stepped up right away and never bit us.
 

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When I brought home Jingo at 3 months old from the breeder where he was very much socialized (he was taken every other weekend to a nursing home to interact with all sorts of people), he was very much "my bird". He adored me, I could do no wrong. I fed him, cleaned his cage, played with him, trained him....then he matured and suddenly loved my husband, who barely gave him the time of day. He would bite me and fly away as soon as I approached him. The harder I tried to regain his trust, the more he seemed to hate me.

So I stopped trying. I let him do what he wanted. I accepted my fate as second fiddle. Within weeks of realizing I couldn't change his mind, after 8+ months of struggling to be his friend, he landed on my shoulder and gave me a kiss before leaving again. It was a turning point for us. As soon as I respected him and let him have control over the relationship, everything changed. He will be 6 in May and I have NEVER regained the relationship we had when he was a baby, but he does accept treats from me, and a couple times a month lets me pet him or kiss him. Everything has to be on his terms, and we have a peaceful existence this way.

I never pet anything except feet and head to avoid mate behavior. I believe birds should be birds.

My birds that I adopted as mature birds (unknown age male quaker and 13+ female Hahns Macaw) I never experienced this issue with.





 

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Hmm. Thank you for sharing, this is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for when I posted; personal experiences. By nothing changed, though, what do you mean? When Sunshine was still in quarantine who fed him/saw him/played with him often? And when he moved with the others, was it that you started doing more with him? Maybe he was following Milton's lead - young birds learn from other birds. Or maybe it was that you were newer to him and thus interesting!
Good questions...nothing changed in the house itself, except Sunshine and his cage were moved to the front (bird) room...and no other birds were added and none subtracted. Also the same number of people were present- 3-at the time. No new furniture or objects were added to the room. When Sunshine was in quarantine, both Kathy and I did the daily maintenance/ interaction with him, but I let her have more time with him, as he seemed to indicate that he wanted to be with her.
It was after he moved into the bird area he began to prefer coming to me. Kathy still had more interaction time, but when he saw me, it was a beeline over to me. Even to this day, he prefers to hang with me.
Sunshine's first owner was a teen male...maybe Sunshine was beginning a relationship with him when the kid got rid of him. Chandra then acquired him, and Sunshine saw that she was a good person, so he began bonding with her...then we came along. It all had to be very confusing to a young bird. That's all speculation on my part, I guess.

Our littles have our living room- and front of the house- as their space. Milton, being Milton, claims our bedroom-and the back of the house as his own...;)

Hope this answered your questions...if there's anything else you'd like to know, just post...:)
 

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My tiel and I are bonded but he'll sit with others if I'm not around. Strange thing is that sometimes he'll want to be next to my little 4 yr old but not to hang out with her, but mostly to harass or pick on her. They both like playing with Legos and neither likes to share, so what I'll do is just redirect, give Chappie a treat on top of his cage, give him his own little bucket of legos, or just keep him with me. If he flies back down to her to harass again then I'll just repeat. He'll usually get the idea for the day, and then test again a few days later.
 

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Bella is now 3 and is sexually mature. I am still her favorite person.
 
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