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Green Cheek Conure Feeding Schedule and other questions

greencheekchick

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Ok brooder on the warm side says about 90F right now so looks like its in that right range when converted to C. Just fed the 8am and got about 11-12ccs this time (my syring goes to 10cc and the lettering is starting to come off where the 10 mark is) The other times I fed I think I was going a bit too slow and let the formula get a bit to cold and then he would refuse after trying again after the first breather. I keep my thermometer in the water bath and the temp when I first take the syringe out it is 106 or 105F and then about 103F when done. Also the other feeds I started at 104F which he might have thought was too cold and was why I couldn't get more in him. Also, I've been checking the temp with my wrist before giving too to make sure it won't burn him.
Yes I've been weighing him at the 8am feed. Yesterday he was 63gr before feed and after 65gr. Today he was 64gr and after 69gr.
 

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Wowthey are big for 16 days old! Was it parent fed?
Tell me in your opinion would they grow slower if you took them from parents day 1 & fed them?
I was looking at some with parent problem so eggs were pulled & fed from hatch.
To me the development of the chicks seemed very slow.
They are 5 weeks old & barely look older than your chick.

Do these look normal for 5 & 6week old chicks? View attachment 186139
Small chicks just turned full 5 weeks going on 6 & big chick full 6 weeks going on 7

Should they be flying & full feathers at 6 7 weeks?

I wanted one as they should be real tame being handfed from day 1 but I was also afraid they could be stunted in growth or had some health issues from being fed from such a tender age.

What is your opinion on getting a chick that never saw its parents? How does it affect tem vs how do they relate to people?
Are chicks pulled at 3 weeks just as social with people?

You seem to know a lot about hand feeding & development so I was hoping you could add your opinion to my questions.

Thanks
Yes this bub was parent started and brought in at 11 days old as I had an issue with the parents and wanted to take some pressure off them feeding the biggest chick, it had it's parents to itself for the first 5 days too so got stuffed full :) But is really on track with what I would expect in terms of growth. I would expect fledging to occur at about 7 weeks of age.

The bubs in the pic do look stunted to me and just don't look quite right with the balding looking heads and the shape of the head indicating stunting, for 5-6 week old babies I would expect to see more feather development too. I don't have any pics of past clutch's handy and will try to get some pics up for you later today of some of my past bubs. I would expect to see peak weights (just before dropping weight to fledge) somewhere between 80-95 grams. One of my pairs produces smaller chicks as the parents are smaller, and there is probably a difference between males and females too.

Incubator hatched babies don't necessarily have health issues if the handfeeder knows what they are doing as hydration and crop stretching are really important early on. I have a Lori chick at the moment that I needed to pull the egg and incubate as it's mum abandoned the nest days out from hatching, it was a tough first few days but he is growing like a weed now and is actually a couple of grams heavier than another lori chick that hatched the same day and was parent raised for the first 21 days and it's feathering is ahead in development too.

I normally pull my GCC babies between 14-21 days old and have not seen any difference with how tame they are, I don't like pulling after the 21days though as they are harder to socialise with people and harder to hand feed at least initially. A baby that has been pulled by 21 days and has been adequately socialized should make a lovely companion.

Incubator babies that have never seen their parents can have behavioural issues if they are not raised with and socialised with other birds when being raised. The biggest problems I have had are babies that have been raised alone with no or little contact with other birds. the fact these babies are being raised as a clutch will reduce issues, if there is a gentle adult bird that can be used as a mentor for the babies it is ideal to have them together close to fledging so the adult can teach them basic bird social skills and how to eat etc...
 

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I would expect fledging to occur at about 7 weeks of age.
The bubs in the pic do look stunted to me and just don't look quite right with the balding looking heads and the shape of the head indicating stunting, for 5-6 week old babies I would expect to see more feather development too. I don't have any pics of past clutch's handy and will try to get some pics up for you later today of some of my past bubs. I would expect to see peak weights (just before dropping weight to fledge) somewhere between 80-95 grams. One of my pairs produces smaller chicks as the parents are smaller, and there is probably a difference between males and females too.

Incubator hatched babies don't necessarily have health issues if the handfeeder knows what they are doing as hydration and crop stretching are really important early on.
I'm glad it was just not me. They give me a funny feeling
I haven't had much experience with chicks but did alot of pic searching & it just seemed these were not as developed for there ages. I don't know there weights but the lil ones are just 2 days apart & about 4 grams diff. The bald alien head. I know chicks look funny without feathers but if they are stunted will they ever reach a normal size/weight?

Actually I was off a week...the other pic taken on the 27th is a week later so they were really a week older than Originally stated. The smaller ones were 6 weeks going on 7 weeks & that older one wass a week older so 7 weeks going on 8 weeks.

If they fledge at 80 95 g's then do they lose weight as they wean?
Most GCC are in the 65 to 80 grams range.



Here is a pic at one week earlier:
Photo one week prior at almost a full 5 weeks born 8/14 taken on 9/20. Looks like it can hardly stand...would this be age appropriate?


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feedings 5 to 6 times a day
 
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I'm glad it was just not me. They give me a funny feeling
I haven't had much experience with chicks but did alot of pic searching & it just seemed these were not as developed for there ages. I don't know there weights but the lil ones are just 2 days apart & about 4 grams diff. The bald alien head. I know chicks look funny without feathers but if they are stunted will they ever reach a normal size/weight?

Actually I'm off almost a week...the other pic taken on the 27th is a week later so the smaller ones are 6 weeks going on 7 weeks & that older one is a week older so 7 weeks going on 8 weeks.

If they fledge at 80 95 g's then do they lose weight as they wean?
Most GCC are in the 65 to 80 grams range.


View attachment 186140

Photo one week prior at almost a full 5 weeks born 8/14 taken on 9/20. Looks like it can hardly stand...would this be age appropriate?
I'm not sure if I'm following the conversation correctly, but if the baby in this picture is 5 weeks old it is definitely stunted. He needs to be fed 4-5 times a day a
Ya I didn't know about the heat source either (other than a blanket) if I did take him with me and I would also be worried about him maybe being affected by any of the chemicals we use for cleaning the rooms (not that I'd have him in the rooms I'd be cleaning either) . He'd have to be kept in the breakfast room or something I'd think but not sure... You think he would be ok with out the noon feed as long as I'm not gone for more than 8 hours. He/she would get the first 8am feed then the next at either whenever I got home or untill the 4pm feed? And then the 8pm and midnight feeds like usual? I don't want to rely on my mom for the noon feed even though she agreed to help.

The last feed was about 6ccs where the others were between about 2 and 4ccs.
That is too little formula for any baby. My parrotlets get more than 2ccs. Green cheeks should be taking 10-15ccs at each feeding by the time they reach 4weeks up until they wean. Feed until the crop is firm but not bulging.
 

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I'm not sure if I'm following the conversation correctly, but if the baby in this picture is 5 weeks old it is definitely stunted. He needs to be fed 4-5 times a day a


That is too little formula for any baby. My parrotlets get more than 2ccs. Green cheeks should be taking 10-15ccs at each feeding by the time they reach 4weeks up until they wean. Feed until the crop is firm but not bulging.
The pics of the stunted babies are not the babies in the original post but another members question. @greencheekchick has increased the feeds and seems to be on track now :)
 

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Sorry about the misunderstanding
I was just commenting that the previous babies seemed big for there age but its turning out that the baby I was thinking of getting is small for its age.\

Exactly 40 days old in that pic & She said they were being fed 5-6 times a day.
I worked out the pic dates & the ages are correct.


:arghh:
 
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I'm glad it was just not me. They give me a funny feeling
I haven't had much experience with chicks but did alot of pic searching & it just seemed these were not as developed for there ages. I don't know there weights but the lil ones are just 2 days apart & about 4 grams diff. The bald alien head. I know chicks look funny without feathers but if they are stunted will they ever reach a normal size/weight?

Actually I was off a week...the other pic taken on the 27th is a week later so they were really a week older than Originally stated. The smaller ones were 6 weeks going on 7 weeks & that older one wass a week older so 7 weeks going on 8 weeks.

If they fledge at 80 95 g's then do they lose weight as they wean?
Most GCC are in the 65 to 80 grams range.



Here is a pic at one week earlier:
Photo one week prior at almost a full 5 weeks born 8/14 taken on 9/20. Looks like it can hardly stand...would this be age appropriate?


View attachment 186140
I feel really sorry for these bubs they are really not being raised well at all, and is a classic example of why anyone wanting to breed needs to know what to do in a situation as it's the bubs that suffer in the long run. Stunted babies can catch up but I don't think these bubs will ever reach a good adult weight and may even have some health issues as a result of improper care.
My peak weights mentioned are just before fledging where they will cut back on food a bit and learn to fly, weaning usually occurs 1-2 weeks after fledging.

@melissasparrots is another experienced breeder here and may be able to offer some opinions as well.
 

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Sorry about the misunderstanding
I was just commenting that the previous babies seemed big for there age but its turning out that the baby I was thinking of getting is small for its age.\

Exactly 40 days old in that pic & She said they were being fed 5 times a day.
I worked out the pic dates & the ages are correct.


:arghh:
Wow my bub is now about 20-21 days and is on 4 feeds per day. Do you have any idea what they are being fed and how much?
 

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Ahh I see. Ok well even if they are feeding 5x/day--other issues could be contributing to their growth rate. Feeding too thin of formula, keeping the brooder way too hot as to promote formula moving through them too quickly, or maybe even feeding an inferior product?
 

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Wow my bub is now about 20-21 days and is on 4 feeds per day. Do you have any idea what they are being fed and how much?

No, idea which formula or how much but she does weigh them.


:confused:

Does the older one look 7 weeks ?
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I feel sad for the liiiil guys.
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No, idea which formula or how much but she does weigh them.

:confused:

Does the older one look 7 weeks ?
View attachment 186142


I feel sad for the liiiil guys.
:(
Wow they don't look that old at all. My parent fed baby #2 that was 4 weeks exactly in my last pic of my babies together, looks farther along than the oldest in that picture. I don't have experience in how much babies grow only on hand feeds but they don't seem right to me either.

--Anyways update on my babies. After carfully observing (I have a nest box cam) and thinking, I decided to put #3 back with Mom and dad. He was gaining weight and doing good in that way but I felt so bad because he was whining and crying and my mom was sad about it too and kept telling me to put him back. No matter if I cuddled him or left him alone he would whine :( . Before I put him back though I made sure Meeka or Morpheus wasn't plucking any babies anymore because they did pluck a few from the others after I took #3 and haven't after that day though.
So I put #3 back Monday afternoon and watched carefully to make sure Meeka and Morpheus took care of him again. Right away Meeka started preening and cleaning him up and later they fed him too. If I saw any feathers missing again he was coming straight out again but so far he is doing great. No more whining or crying from him anymore and my mom and I feel much better.
:hug8: I can't thank you guys enough for your continuous help.
-Although I can't help but ask too, do you think I did the right thing putting him back as long as he's being taken care of by his parents again?
 

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@camelotshadow Sorry I meant to post a few pics of my bubs from past years for development comparison.

These bubs were about 5 weeks old in these pics....

Greencheekbubs_07-11-11.jpg Greencheekbubs_05-11-11.jpg

And this bub would have been about 7 weeks old...

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And here is my current bub at 22 days old (pic taken a few days ago), I have more bubs in now and haven't had a chance to take pics but will soon :)

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