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Seizures in lovebirds?

Sunstorm

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I apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong section, I wasn't sure if it belonged here or in the Lovebird subforum. Also, I do want to warn readers that this story does not have a happy ending. After losing two lovebirds to seizures, I need to find out if this is a common occurrence, something we are doing wrong, or extremely, extremely bad luck.

My partner and I have owned birds for quite some time now, and about two years ago decided to add a young lutino Fischer's lovebird to our flock. We'd researched the species at great length, took the time to contact breeders and eventually brought home a six month old female named Lemon. Lemon was an extremely outgoing little bird and became very affectionate and very attached right away. She never displayed any unusual behavior or signs of illness, and fit right in. There was absolutely no warning before the morning we uncovered her cage and found her at the bottom acting listless and confused. We rushed her to our emergency avian vet, but it was too late. She'd seized the way there, and passed in the waiting room. I was absolutely devastated that there was nothing we could do, and the vet suggested that she may have started seizing during the night, and we'd just caught the end of it. He asked us about our bird room, her diet etc... everything checked out, and we could only chalk it up as a freak occurrence.

It took a long time to move past this, and it wasn't until six months later that I'd even considered another lovebird. A friend offered us Roddi, a three year old lutino hybrid - part peachface, part Fischer's. I had Roddi for well over a year with no issue, he was a plump, happy, and very vocal little bird. And then last week, I went to take him out for cuddles, and it was the horror with Lemon all over again. This time there wasn't even the opportunity to take him to the vet, he seized and passed within only a few minutes of me finding him.

I broke down, I love these little birds and I can't handle losing them one after another like this. We've checked our bird room time and time again, gone over our cleaning and feeding routines endlessly, looking for anything we might have done wrong that could have caused this. None of our other birds (four cockatiels, one ringneck parrot) have ever had seizures or illness. Both lovebirds were fed a seed blend, pellet, fresh fruit, and millet. There's no toxins in the room, nor have we ever used unsafe cleaning supplies on the cages/toys/etc. The bird room is kept at a consistent temperature, and isn't located near the kitchen or anything with dangerous fumes. I am at a loss as to what ended these little birds, and can't accept that it was just an 'accident' twice in a row. Any input would be greatly appreciated, I'd originally joined this forum to ask about this, and couldn't bring myself to write the topic until now. Thank you in advance.
 

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cupoftea

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Omg, I'm so sorry. :( That's very scary. My own lovebird is only a year old... I hope he'll never go through something like this. I'll be watching this thread for more posts.
 

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so very sorry for your loss... :hug8:
 

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I am so sorry for your loss. A necropsy may have given an insight into what happened. It could be environmental, it could be something else.
Do you use anything with teflon, including pans, hair dryers, anything you might think?
Did you use the same cage, and was it tested for metal toxicity?
Is the room they are kept in near a garage or any where they could have received carbon monoxide poisoning?
Is water changed a few times a day? What kind of water do you use..bottled, city, or well? How about toys, happy huts, anything with fibers or threads that could have been ingested? You say no cleaning supplies are used in the room but what about in other parts of the house? Birds can be really sensitive to things in a home. Mold can be an issue.
Can you show pics of the cage and area? Maybe we can see something you don't.
 

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I agree with Carole and using necropsies. Unfortunately, without those, you may have a hard time figuring out what went wrong. Even then, necropsies aren't always conclusive, but it's better than not getting them done. Of the pictures you posted, neither appear to be hybrids.
 

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Lemon (the lutino fischer's) was definitely not a hybrid but Roddy (the fischer's/peachface) was sold to us from his former breeder as such.

I'm going to try to answer all the questions in place of my partner (since @Sunstorm and I live together) as much as I can so here we go:

The birds were housed in two different cages.
Our bird room is nowhere near our kitchen (it is actually one floor up and over so it's not even above it) All our cooking, cleaning, and yes, even my hair styling is done away from the bird room.
Our house doesn't have a garage.
The birds have their water changed at least once to twice a day and it's city water. The cockatiels and the ringneck drink the same water and have no problem with it.
Both birds were on a seed (mostly grass and grown seed), pellets, and dried fruit diet with the occasional bit of millet as a snack. Toys included bells, dangling plastic, a rope ball on a chain, and a snuggle hut.
In terms of cleaning supplies we have a vacuum cleaner and clorox wipes. Again, neither have affected any of the other birds or animals in the house.
We had the home checked for mold before moving in and there has never been any sign of it since.

WOO that was a lot. :eek:
 

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Peachface hybrids have slightly orange-ish or even reddish beaks. Roddi had neither. I wonder if they thought he was a hybrid because he also had the orangeface mutation?

As an example.... a regular lutino vs an orangeface lutino.
http://www.geocities.ws/lizupatree/twolutinos.gif

And a hybrid lutino.
http://i46.tinypic.com/68rfbo.jpg


Although both were lovebirds, they were different species of lovebirds. It is rather odd that you have problems with your lovebirds but not with any other birds in the home.


I can't see anything wrong, but again, there are so many reasons why a bird might have a seizure. This page has some examples.
BirdChannel.com
 

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Air circulates and can take any and all toxins within a home to your birds. I know of a case where someone kept their huge flock in a finished basement. They cooked upstairs with teflon, and the toxins still killed the entire flock.
It is never safe to use anything toxic within a home where there are birds.
:hug8:
 

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I suggest you have your home tested for a small CO2 leak. You never know.
 

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I have had two lovebirds who developed seizure disorders. The first at the age of 5, the second at the age of 12. The first one had his first seizure while under going treatment after being exposed to psittacosis. At the time the vet said it wasn't secondary to the treatment but I always wondered. He (CAV with an excellent reputation) also said the lovebirds have the highest incidence of seizure disorders among all parrots. He even took a photo of my bird to be used (with my permission) when teaching/lecturing avian medicine. The second lovie I believe was due to old age and years of a poor diet...this was before I discovered bird forums, and after my CAV moved on to become the vet for the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I feel for you, as I have spent more time holding a seizing bird than I care to remember. A TOTALLY helpless feeling. And I'll be honest...I didn't read your entire post for fear of resurrecting painful memories. :)
 

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I suggest you have your home tested for a small CO2 leak. You never know.
The first lovebird died while we were in an apartment. The second died while we were in our current house.
I have had two lovebirds who developed seizure disorders. The first at the age of 5, the second at the age of 12. The first one had his first seizure while under going treatment after being exposed to psittacosis. At the time the vet said it wasn't secondary to the treatment but I always wondered. He (CAV with an excellent reputation) also said the lovebirds have the highest incidence of seizure disorders among all parrots. He even took a photo of my bird to be used (with my permission) when teaching/lecturing avian medicine. The second lovie I believe was due to old age and years of a poor diet...this was before I discovered bird forums, and after my CAV moved on to become the vet for the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I feel for you, as I have spent more time holding a seizing bird than I care to remember. A TOTALLY helpless feeling. And I'll be honest...I didn't read your entire post for fear of resurrecting painful memories. :)
I'm extremely sorry for your loss. I know how horrible it can be to feel helpless when something you love is suffering. We didn't know about seizures with lovebirds until afterw all the pain. We still love them dearly...we just haven't had the best experiences.
 

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Yes, a necropsy would have definitely shed some light on the issue but it seems to me that their diet was way too dry (seeds, pellets, dried fruit -did you use a bottle for water by any chance?) and kidney failure will result in a bad seizure right before death. I once took in 9 lovebirds from the widow of the gentleman who raised and showed them (the lutino hen had won every single show she had been shown in three different states) and she made me promised NEVER to feed pellets to them. Lovies are great veggies and fruit eaters so I tend to think they must eat a lot of them in the wild and that means a diet very high in water content.
 

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Thank you everyone for the insight. I do wish we'd had a necropsy done, it would have definitely helped relieve some of the 'what if?' stress from the whole ordeal. It's too late now of course, and I just wasn't in the mindset at the time to even think of it. Screamy has done a pretty good job of filling in some of the details, the only thing consistent between the two incidences are the seizures. We moved from an apartment to a house, had new cages/toys/etc, and placed our bird room as far from the kitchen as physically possible (not that I cook with teflon anyway). However...

Yes, a necropsy would have definitely shed some light on the issue but it seems to me that their diet was way too dry (seeds, pellets, dried fruit -did you use a bottle for water by any chance?) and kidney failure will result in a bad seizure right before death. I once took in 9 lovebirds from the widow of the gentleman who raised and showed them (the lutino hen had won every single show she had been shown in three different states) and she made me promised NEVER to feed pellets to them. Lovies are great veggies and fruit eaters so I tend to think they must eat a lot of them in the wild and that means a diet very high in water content.
...this is something I'd never even thought of, and it makes me sick to think that our choice in diet may have killed them. Unfortunately pellets were recommended by the person we'd gotten Lemon from, and I had simply assumed it was correct. Granted, pellets didn't make up the whole diet, but if it is the root of the problem, the fruits/veggies we gave probably weren't enough to combat it.

These are all things we will be keeping in mind if the time comes for another lovebird. Thank you again everyone for the help, it is greatly appreciated.
 

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My lovebird (age unknown but >3yrs), Charley, was having seizures regularly (2-3 times/week) and I was convinced he was going do die - the episodes would last a minute or two and he would flail and flap his wings and writhe. Then, he would be completely out of it for 5-10 minutes. For reference, Charley was found outside and has never been hand-tamed - in these 5-10 minute durations, he was so out of it that he would let me hold him until he came to. Charley not being tame also prevented a vet visit since it would have been prohibitively stressful for him. Anyway, this was all terrifying and I was willing to try anything. At one point, I had heard that birds process visual information at ~120 Hz/frames per second (vs. humans at ~60) - it turns out that many of the light bulbs that we use in our homes have a flicker rate that is slower than 120 Hz, so for Charley and my other birds, this would be like living with a strobe light. I have since changed all of my light bulbs to flicker-free bulbs (the ones I got and would recommend are from Waveform Lighting) - Charley stopped having seizures almost overnight, and he hasn't had one in 3 months. Considering a trigger for epileptic seizures in humans can be flickering light, I suspect a similar trigger may instigate episodes in birds. Also, a great way to figure out if your light bulbs flicker or are flicker-free is to use the slow-motion camera on an iphone which can capture video at 120 frames per second. All of this to say, despite it being extremely scary, try not to give up hope on a parrot that is having seizures - try changing the light bulbs first. Also, I know that changing the lightbulbs and the cessation of seizures could be coincidental and if your bird is having seizures and is tame enough, always take them to an avian-exotics specialist vet (in addition to looking into new lightbulbs)!
 
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