Ok with that said Im agreeing with the flow of the conversations
I think the video is pathetic and it really makes me upset. How can someone scream like that to finches and flighted birds. Does she avoid wild crows, seagulls, finches, etc? Or does she scream her mouth off every second of her life when she sees a flying bird? She must live in her closet..sorry..just my opinion, I think the birds were being subjected to cruel and unusual treatment. Poor finches and other fiddos had to endure that
This is kinda funny...... oh I have to comment
Okay the lady is well, lets say "off". Many people have things that they can not control. ? Look at hoarders? they would love to control themselves and can't. It's behavorial ??? I have a friend that is afriad of roots. Like tree roots, plant roots ect. She does not scream like a toddler but still strange. The look on her face was priceless when I had her help with my bamboo centerpieces for my wedding but she lived.
Here is what I find funny. (my opinion only) first post.... we are comparing this lady (in reverse) too.
My bird is afriad of me = Lets towel and hold it until it calms down
My bird won't step up = Lets chase it around until it stays by me.
Too me, you would get the same results with My bird is afriad of me = Lets flick him in the head. or My bird is afraid of me = Lets throw rocks at it.
In my opinion if you have a scared bird, you don't want to tackle them with a towel and hold him until he calms down. What happens next time? I would not think next time he will remember that as "oh, that was alright."
I will probably get lots of comments for this statement ( not my goal, everyone can say what they feel, and everyone has a way ) Comparing the two situations........... screaming lady VS bird training = The screaming lady is getting more accomplished.
wow ... that can't be fun for her. i've never heard of that before
This is kinda funny...... oh I have to comment
Okay the lady is well, lets say "off". Many people have things that they can not control. ? Look at hoarders? they would love to control themselves and can't. It's behavorial ??? I have a friend that is afriad of roots. Like tree roots, plant roots ect. She does not scream like a toddler but still strange. The look on her face was priceless when I had her help with my bamboo centerpieces for my wedding but she lived.
Here is what I find funny. (my opinion only) first post.... we are comparing this lady (in reverse) too.
My bird is afriad of me = Lets towel and hold it until it calms down
My bird won't step up = Lets chase it around until it stays by me.
Too me, you would get the same results with My bird is afriad of me = Lets flick him in the head. or My bird is afraid of me = Lets throw rocks at it.
In my opinion if you have a scared bird, you don't want to tackle them with a towel and hold him until he calms down. What happens next time? I would not think next time he will remember that as "oh, that was alright."
I will probably get lots of comments for this statement ( not my goal, everyone can say what they feel, and everyone has a way ) Comparing the two situations........... screaming lady VS bird training = The screaming lady is getting more accomplished.
I have seen birds who are raised secluded, by themselves, barely any toys or new foods given to them, and then one day when something new is introduced, its fearful. But when raised in a well rounded home, where its introduced to many common daily things (broom, new food, new toys,.furniture moving) its not fearful or phobic.
Vicky, not to reopen a can of warms. As Im just speaking a thought that just came into my head as I read todays posts, so please correct it if its wrong. But if you(a person, dog, cat, horse, bird) is brought up experiencing birds, roots, spiders, snakes, etc, theoretically, it shouldn't develope a phobia to them. Especially if it was introduced to them early on and learned to touch/play, etc, with it. So the phobia/fear should never develope if you are raised around them (unless an incident happened). Right? I'm just curious, its just a thought
Let's say NO incidents happened and you raised around everything, you shouldn't become fearful of it out of nowhere without something causing you to. There are people in this world that live near war, gun fire, etc, and kids there grow up use to it. I'm scared to touch grenades and loaded weapons. But some children, knowing their companions have gotten hurt by it, still touch and play with these things in other countries (children of Columbia come to mind) If I had constant bombings and gunfire where I live, I'd be scared. Id become phobic of it Im sure. But Im just not conditioned noor was I raised around such situations to be use to it. So theoretically, if you are raised around it, and if no "incidents" happen to cause a phobia/fear, you shouldnt be afraid/phobic of things because your already conditioned to it.
I just know that there are many things you couldn't or wouldn't even think to expose an individual to. I would be hesitant to say that you "shouldn't be afraid/phobic" because so many behavioral/mental issues can happen and we can't always find out why or where it started. Let's say you have a dog that is sound sensitive, you could expose him to a lot of different types of auditory stimuli and he may habituate to loud sounds, but he could be phobic of say loud trucks partly because of his genetic make up. No incident happened, and he was exposed but noise is aversive and could create a phobia. Does that make sense? And, with birds for instance who are genetically hardwired to be cautious of new things because this is necessary for them as a species to survive and protect themselves, you could expose them to things and not have a specific "incident" but there could still be phobias. I think your question is could a person have a phobia to something that they were conditioned or habituated to? My answer is, I don't know for sure, but I would guess that they could but it would be less likely as long as they were exposed before there was a fear or aversion to the trigger. Also, you can sometimes just habituate an individual to something with repeated contact as long as they aren't fearful or afraid and have success.John, you may have missed my bit in my post that said "unless an incident occured". I'm well aware that things happen and what was once a comfort can be a fear. When I say "well rounded", I mean raised/introduced to everything possible. Different foods, animals, bugs, mud, what have you. I mean no offense by the wording.
