Mega bacteria gastric yeast

[Joe Henderson]

Hi everyone my budgie has had. Some weird. Poops some dark or. Black in color and soft and some just. Water with unformed urates , he also not. Eating as. Much seems. To. Skipping breakfast, the. Vet did a gram stain and said she thinks it’s mega bacteria and. Did a clorcal swab to be sure which I won’t get. Back till next. Week, she says to start the meds now tho , I’m not sure if I should since I’ve read the meds make the bird feel bad I’m also not sure. How he could of got this he’s never. Been in contact. With another bird except the parrotlet in my house , should I also treat my other. Bird? Does anyone have any advice about This disease

 

[The_Mayor]

Not at all an expert on this, but my question is - is there a reason you don't trust your vet's recommendations? I mean, sometimes we do have well-founded concerns and in that case it might be worth getting a second opinion.

On the other hand, a quick google search suggests that birds who are sick with this (as opposed to being an asymptomatic carrier) can progress and die relatively quickly. And, yes, sometimes medication can make them feel worse than they did before, but if it can save the bird from getting sicker or dying that seems like it would be a worthwhile tradeoff.

If it were me, I'd talk to the vet about any concerns and whether your other bird needs treatment.

 

[Ripshod]

It's the nature of antibiotics. I'm sure you've had them before and understand how bad it can make you feel. In effect it's infecting with a bacteria the body can deal with to kill off a bacteria it can't. As The_Mayor said megabacteria can easily kill if not dealt with promptly.
Be sure to discuss probiotics when you go back to the vet. It's one of the best things we can do for the health of our birds, especially after antibiotics (can help prevent reinfection).

 

[Joe Henderson]

The vet. Is one of those vets that leave things up to me, the results aren’t back that’s why I didn’t want to start yet, and. She didn’t give me a. Definite from the gram stain I’d like to give them something while on it so they feel ok.She also said it’s
Possible he Had It for years and it Just came oOut. I’m just. Looking for some advice

 

[Joe Henderson]

The. Probiotics he gets. After ? I have. Nene bak . Is it everyday ?

 

[Ripshod]

The. Probiotics he gets. After ? I have. Nene bak . Is it everyday ?

Best straight after the antibiotics are finished as it contains the friendly gut bacteria, which the antibiotics will kill off. Benebac is one of the better ones so should be good.

 

[Lady Jane]

You can always get a second opinion. One of the best avian vets in the US is Brian Spear practicing in California. You can get his email from his office and give him all the details plus your vets name. I did this with a budgie that had AGY. Got a response back in 2 days.

Brian Speer, DVM, DABVP (Avian Practice), DECZM (Avian) - LafeberVet

Dr. Brian Speer is owner and director of The Medical Center for Birds in Oakley, California. Dr. Speer is Past President of the Association of Avian Veterinarians

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[Joe Henderson]

You can always get a second opinion. One of the best avian vets in the US is Brian Spear practicing in California. You can get his email from his office and give him all the details plus your vets name. I did this with a budgie that had AGY. Got a response back in 2 days.

Brian Speer, DVM, DABVP (Avian Practice), DECZM (Avian) - LafeberVet

Dr. Brian Speer is owner and director of The Medical Center for Birds in Oakley, California. Dr. Speer is Past President of the Association of Avian Veterinarians

lafeber.com

Waiting. On the vent. Swab which bleed. A lil and bothered. Him he’s still messing With it ,, but the swan will telll me 100% What can I give him during the treatment to keep him strong and out of pain

 

[Joe Henderson]

I should also treat my other bird right

 

[Ripshod]

I should also treat my other bird right

If it's fungal, bacterial, or otherwise transmissible yes, treat the other too.

 

[Joe Henderson]

Has anyone seen any side effects with amphotericin b ,
StuF is thick

 

[finchly]

Most likely they’re not going to react to the medication. They just tell you as a precaution. It’s a rough treatment, but then it’s a mean disease.

Did they give you enough to treat both? If so I would definitely treat both. I always treat both if they’re caged together.

 

[Lady Jane]

The budgie I had was on Ampho for 3 months for end stage AGY. If he had side effects I did not see any. He was in the wasting stage where they lose weight despite eating well as the nutrients are no longer absorbed. He looked awful, feathers not groomed any more. It was hard to watch so the decision was made to end the misery.

 

[Ripshod]

Have you started the meds yet?

 

[Joe Henderson]

They didn’t. Give me enough to treat both birds but I’m goin fb to treat both and. I will get more meds , the other bird is not. Caged with this bird. But the cages are next to each other and they have outside. Time together, the other bird tho doesn’t have poop issues like the one presented. With mega back, should I still treat?
the bird with it has been have very small unformed poops like straight not round is that part of it?

 

[Joe Henderson]

gave them half a dose. Last. Night

 

[Joe Henderson]

Got the results from the pcr it came back negative thank god, I can stop the meds
And not use any of the many things I panicked ordered. I think I might give them some bene bak probiotics and milk thistle tho?
vet said it’s possible the things saw on the slide were environmental contaminants....meh

 

[Macawnutz]

If you have a good enough vet AGY can be seen in a fecal exam.
Glad your test was negative and that it not a illness I would treat unless 100% certain they have it.
Amp B is very toxic. Even the directions state your should wear gloves while handling it. Many birds can't tolerate the meds and end up vomiting it back out. Since Amp B is the only medication that treats AGY you have to have more medications prescribed to help your bird keep down the medication. Often Amp B has to be given for many months as AGY is difficult to kill.

I like the aviculture when it comes to probiotics. My late vet aided in it's development.

 

[Joe Henderson]

That’s the thing about vets you can go to the best. Avian place yet still get a Bad vet or so ome one that just. Makes a mistake I guess... we did the gram stain and thought she Saw it which is why I was directed To start meds while waiting results from pcr I guess I felt the same way that’s why I was Only giving the meds once a Day and half the dose .
I asked if there was Any thing elese prescribed with it That. I can give to make it easier to the bird and. They said no, which is why I ordered a lot of stuff onlinee
The gram stain was chalked Up to possible Environmental contamination Honestly every time I go to a Young doctor I have a bad experience, for now it’s only old avian boarded docs.