You should notice your bird getting somewhat better almost immediately. This is because it immediately starts to relax the muscles in the walls of the arteries and allows blood to flow better ( not perfect, but some). Keep in mind that there is no cure for atherosclerosis only supportive meds and care. Unfortunately, atherosclerosis is progressive and will get worse. - you are slowing the advance.
Jasper has received two hours of O2 per day for many years. It is just one of a large number of medications and supplements that she receives on a daily basis. This is the oxygen concentrator I own - bought it from this company.
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I have no empirical evidence that the O2 has done her any good, but Dr. Driggers says that you cannot hurt an animal by giving it oxygen. I personally believe the O2 has done her good.
He took metronidazole before but would always remain underweight and the parasite would still show up in fecal tests. He takes ronidazole now which allowed him to gain weight (70 grams to 80 grams, which is healthy for him). It’s also apparently safer as far as affecting their kidney/liver function. I do treat him but he always gets reinfected. I went as far as pouring boiling water over his cage everyday and letting it soak, plus throwing away and replacing his perches every few days and disinfecting my room with F10 but eventually it came back. I think he gets reinfected through his feathers though and there’s no way to scrub a bird like you can for a cat or dog.
I think the oxygen could definitely help. I’ll look into it though because I know it would stress him out, so I’m not sure if that much stress everyday would outweigh the benefits of the oxygen.
Just wondering if it’s too late for him. The medicine definitely helped a bit because he is more alert and wants to play some. But he still sleeps for most of the first half of the day, it’s only towards the evening that he gets a little energy. And he’s still eating excessively.
It takes a long time to see improvement and then the progress is baby steps. You will have ups and downs and make no mistake he will eventually die from the atherosclerosis or a secondary condition caused by it's presence. It is not an easy, nor is it a short journey, but you can have many months/years of his company.
You can get get discouraged and even hopeless, at times, but don't give up.
I talked to the vet today and she said those medications are for birds already in heart failure so putting him on them could hurt him since he’s not in heart failure. She does want him to see a cardiologist though to get an echocardiogram. I’ll schedule that today since she said it can take a month to get an appointment.
She did say that the medicine can take weeks to start showing really noticeable improvements though.
I’ll probably end up seeing Dr. Driggers to get his opinion. Dr. Lamb does seem to be a good vet but maybe she just doesn’t know as much about heart conditions. I want him to have the best chance possible so if those medications could help then I want him to switch ASAP. I was looking them up and it seems like some are for blood pressure, which apparently can cause atherosclerosis/worsen it even if you have no other health issues. And Widget doesn’t have high cholesterol or any of the obvious causes.
The good news is I’m seeing some improvements. He seems to be more alert, wanting to play, and he whistled today for the first time in two weeks. He used to whistle everyday. He’s also talking again.
@AGS My Jasper had an electrocardiogram at Southwest a year+ ago and both Dr. Driggers and I were disappointed in the results as interpreted by the Dr. at Southwest. Take your xrays and other information to Dr. Driggers first is my recommendation - then if necessary you can get a electrocardiogram.
So Widget does seem to be doing better (energy level wise), but he’s now eating more food than before (he used to eat about 5 grams of pellets, then after he started getting worse it was 7 grams, and now the past few days it’s been 8). When he was eating the 7 grams for a while he was actually gaining a bit of weight despite being sick. Now he has lost weight. I don’t know if I should wait for the appointment or bring him in sooner. Since his energy is getting better I don’t know if it’s the atherosclerosis or if it’s potentially a side effect of one of the medications, specifically the antibiotic (Baytril).
I know when I treat him for the giardia with the ronidazole he will lose even more weight after treatment before gaining it back within a month or so. So I think it could be something like that but I’m not sure. I don’t know if it’s similar to the ronidazole where it will resolve on its own or if he possibly has a secondary infection now. Another possibility is I need to treat him for the giardia again.