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BirdManSam

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Hi, I have a African Grey named Lexy. She's 7 years old. I been using featherbright spiral lights that are made for birds for the last 5 years. After doing some research everywhere I heard that for African Greys it would be better to have 5% UVB. Also in some PDF writup I found online that a girl named Laura Wade, DVM, ABVP (Avian) [br]Specialized Care for Avian & Exotic Pets said that African grey can benefit from higher UVB and listed these lights below[br][br]High UVB:[br]ZooMed Reptisun 5.0 linear tube [br]Hagen ExoTerra Reptiglo 5.0 linear tube[br] [br]Low UVB:[br]Arcadia Bird Lamp linear tube [br]Duro-Test Vita-Lite linear tube[br][br]Anyway, I ended up buying a Zoomed Reptisun 5.0 linear T8 48inches long that has 5% UVB, 30% UVA, And 6700 Kelvin rating. Now my only concern is the Kelvin rating that is 6700k. I know 5500k is the exact number for birds to see in the right color but when I asked them if they had anything with 5% uvb and 30% UVA with a lower Kelvin they said no, that's the lowest one. So I'm assuming this is the light mentioned everywhere for higher UVB for African Greys. I have bought a fixture for this zoo med T8 bulb and it comes with two spots to put up to two bulbs in the fixture. What I would like to know is if I buy another light bulb that has no UVB and no UVA and only has Kelvin rating of 5500k would I be able to put that in the fixture along with the zoo med bulb that has 5% UVB, 30% UVA and 6700 Kelvin? Would my African Grey be able to see in the right spectrum only, in the 5500 Kelvin rays, and then the 6700 Kelvin bulb would not affect her? or would I need to get a bulb with a much lower Kelvin like 4000 Kelvin so they meet up in the middle somewhere (5500k)? Basically I'm planning on adding a lower Kelvin light with no UVA and no UVB and just Kelvin of 5500 with the one that has a higher Kelvin in hopes that it either overrides it or my African Grey sees like it is 5500k only and the other Kelvin from the other light isn't affecting her sight. I want to use the zoo med light and I'm trying to make it perfect. Only thing that zoo med light is missing is the right Kelvin rating. If anyone can help me with this it would be really appreciated. Also would like to know if there can be anything negative happen by using 6700 Kelvin with African Grey, and if anyone knows where I can get a 48 inch linear bulb that has 5% UVB, 30% UVA, and 5500 Kelvin please let me know. I've looked everywhere and nothing so far. Thank you.
 

BirdManSam

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according to this, it's not suitable

Using Full Spectrum Lighting With Birds | Wildlife Rehabber

I have also heard of birds getting burned from reptile lamps.
Yes most Reptile lights could burn birds eyes but there are some that have specs that won't. I think it's UVB and UVA that could cause damage, I'm not a professional so I'm not sure. But the Zoo Med The Avian Sun™ 5.0 UVB Compact Fluorescent is made for birds and it has 5.0 UVB. The only spec on my zoo med linear light that is off is the Kelvin. Now I'm not 100% sure that it doesn't cause damage, but I haven't seen anywhere that higher Kelvin would be dangerous for birds. Hopefully someone knows and can give more information on this. I have done some looking around and a few companies make bird lights that are 5.0 uvb, 30% UVA with Kelvin between 5000 and 6000 I think. The reason I went with this zoo med that is 6700 Kelvin is because I need the size of it and wattage so I can cover more space and install it to ceiling and not 12 inches from bird. The 2.4% uvb lights seem to weak and they all State to place bulb a distance that I find to close to my African grey.
 

Familyof12

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Hi BirdManSam! I'm new here too, and I just went through this whole thing about birds and lighting on this site and I'm positive everyone has different opinions and things they do.

I've been going to an avian specialist clinic here for the last 8 years. They're really great, they treat rescue birds free, they only see small animals and specialize in just birds. Even the vets in there tell me different things sometimes (one said lights, other said no lights)! Here too. So, that being said, our avian vet stated "Sun for at least 12 hours a week and no less with not too wind resistance." Some have said here that is too long, others not enough, light no light. Windows don't do the same, screens do or don't.

It may be you have used the lights and may have advice for me! We are working on winter proofing my enclosed patio so we can get sun out there, we even bought outdoor heating lamps for them!
 

BirdManSam

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Hi BirdManSam! I'm new here too, and I just went through this whole thing about birds and lighting on this site and I'm positive everyone has different opinions and things they do.

I've been going to an avian specialist clinic here for the last 8 years. They're really great, they treat rescue birds free, they only see small animals and specialize in just birds. Even the vets in there tell me different things sometimes (one said lights, other said no lights)! Here too. So, that being said, our avian vet stated "Sun for at least 12 hours a week and no less with not too wind resistance." Some have said here that is too long, others not enough, light no light. Windows don't do the same, screens do or don't.

It may be you have used the lights and may have advice for me! We are working on winter proofing my enclosed patio so we can get sun out there, we even bought outdoor heating lamps for them!
Full Spectrum lighting has been shown to be beneficial to birds by mimicking a bird's natural environment. Breeder aviaries, exotic bird collections and poultry production farms were some of the original places that full spectrum lighting was used and observed to demonstrate a definite positive effect.

One of the greatest benefits of full spectrum lighting is the natural synthesis of Vitamin D precursors allowing the animal to naturally regulate calcium uptake. Another important benefit of full spectrum lighting is the effect it has on the glandular system; the Thyroid Gland controls how and when the other glands function and for it to function properly, it needs to be stimulated by normal photoperiods of full spectrum light. The Hypothalamusis involved in proper feather development and skin. The Pineal Gland controls the cyclical process such as molting and the reproductive cycle. Birds have four color vision and the lower wavelength (UVA) adds the fourth visual perspective. Correct spectrum and photoperiod of light are also critical factors in normal preening as well as the skin and feather health of birds. If a bird's system is not stimulated through adequate environmental lighting to maintain proper endocrine function, it may become lethargic and not continue normal preening behaviors. A full spectrum bulb with a CRI (color rendering index) of 90 or higher contains enough UVA to achieve this. It is middle untraviolet light (UVB) that causes Vitamin synthesis in the skin. Most professionals agree that the UVB needs to be somewhere between 290 and 310 nanometers in wavelength and a color temperature of 5000 Kelvin for this to occur.

*Glass windows filter out up to 90% of the beneficial UV spectrum unless that glass was made pre 1939. Aluminum screening used can filter out 30% or more UV light. High-grade acrylic (cages) filters out less that 5% of the UV light.

Please keep in mind that this lighting should be used during the brightest daytime hours. It is recommended that you use a timer so that the light goes on and off at specific times each day.

If you have a parrot that lives in hot tropical places in the wild, I would recommend you use a light with 5.0% UVB, 30% UVA and CRI 93 or higher and Kelvin rating 5000 or 5500. Other bird lights would be slightly lower in UVB percentage.

Here is some really good information on African Greys and how different they are and what lighting they need exactly. Found this on Arcadia website and they sell great lights for parrots

UVB requirements of an African Grey | Bird Lighting

This is written on there site:
African grey parrot does have a marked requirement for exposure to the energy of the sun to help to keep it in tip top condition. Exposure to high levels of visible light not only sets circadian rhythm but it is also thought to help balance serotonin levels. Exposure to UVA as we have seen also helps, we think with balancing and maintaining good brain chemistry and of course activates tetrachromatic vision which in turn allows good visual communication among birds and reptiles. UVB is essential to life as it starts and maintains a reaction inside of the body that produces and maintains active levels of Vitamin D3. Vitamin D3 among other essential uses is the catalyst to Calcium absorption which is essential to bone and internal organ health and of course the production of eggs and feathers.
We have also seen key indicators in the wild parrot of its reliance upon the sun. Firstly its place in the eco-system (above the canopy and out into the scrublands and savannah) and we can clearly see large patches of bare skin on the face. For me these are all indicators of a species with adaptations to allow it to benefit from higher UV indexes in its wild range. Of course a species does not magically change its core requirements simply because it is now not wild. We as keepers cannot seek to override or even to second guess x million years of wild change and development. As always all of the secrets of great captive care are hidden in the wild animal.
We have also seen how the quantity or index of UV in the wild is utilised by a species in its home range and the importance of offering good areas of light and shade so that the bird can self-regulate its own level of exposure exactly as it would in the wild. We can see simply by looking at the weather patterns per species per home range the average requirement that a particular species has adapted to make full use of. In the case of the grey they could be exposed to massive indexes of UVB for most if not all of the year.

It is safe to say that an average dose would be almost twice of that which is common to the UK summer. Having said all of that putting your bird in the garden for a few hours a day even in the weaker indexes of the UK is by far one of the most useful things that you can do for its care. There will however be a potential shortfall of power when compared to the wild animal. If a species has adapted to utilise an index of 6-7 for much of the year and we provide it with 2-3 for a few weeks we have in theory underpowered or under provided for, for the bird. This is where good quality bird lighting can be very useful.

I would suggest that a captive grey is allowed to self-regulate its own level of exposure for 6-10 hours a day all year round. Please do place your bird with you in the garden in a safe way whenever the sun is shining. You can then allow the bird to self-regulate under its lamp for the rest of the day.

If we take the ParrotPro as an example of a system with defined parameters I would want to see a grey able to safely self-regulate under the lamps emission zone at a distance of around 12-15” from the lamp to the top of the birds head at the shortest point. This can then be provided for a large part of the day. I also see the sense in providing “down time” during the day where the bird is able to seek out some shade and rest. I use timers so that my birds/lamps rest for 1-2 hours a day over the lunchtime. We should seek to light a third to half of a cage which will leave plenty of room for the bird to seek out and to utilise shade and as such bring into effect the self-regulation of exposure per species.
Bird lighting is very safe and very effective but it can only be as effective as the dietary offering that is provided to the bird. A well balanced diet will allow the bird to seek out and obtain the minerals that it requires to stay at the peak of health and the UVB system will in some way allow the bird to assimilate that which we have offered as food. The underpinning key to the success of all of these systems is of course water. It is essential that our birds are very well hydrated at all times. A lack of hydration not only decreases the effectiveness of the D3 cycle but it has a hugely detrimental effect on the vital organs themselves.
 
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