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Wally has been showing signs recently that I felt were a bit early for such a young bird. They are both molting, but he recently started doing the repetitive clicking and pacing, scratching and then stepping on Eva’s back. He is regurgitating or at least going through the motions without anything really coming up. Am I crazy or is he trying to mate? He’s not even 4.5 months yet. He does it on the back of my shoulder too. They don’t have any huts, they have a half coconut for foraging so they don’t drop it through the bottom grates but they don’t spend anytime in there, they don’t play or sleep in there. They don’t shred the paper either. He has been chasing her around the cage and getting a bit territorial over his perches at times but nothing aggressive. Either way, she is getting a new cage today and I will just leave them side by side with the door open.
 

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he recently started doing the repetitive clicking and pacing, scratching and then stepping on Eva’s back. He is regurgitating or at least going through the motions without anything really coming up. Am I crazy or is he trying to mate?
He´s definitely going through the motions and practicing. My male will do that, even now sometimes he goes to regurgitate but doesn´t actually bring up any food, or brings it up enough and eats it himself :hilarious:

He’s not even 4.5 months yet.
There has been reports of Roseicollis breeding as young as 5 / 6 months. It is not ideal, but inexperienced people don´t know what to do and just ¨let the birds get on with it¨.

He does it on the back of my shoulder too.
When he does that, remove him and place him down on the nearest bird safe surface.

They don’t have any huts, they have a half coconut for foraging so they don’t drop it through the bottom grates but they don’t spend anytime in there, they don’t play or sleep in there. They don’t shred the paper either.
In time they will have a bigger desire to shred paper, as well as try to cavity seek during hormonal periods. For now, he´s just maturing, learning and practicing.

Either way, she is getting a new cage today and I will just leave them side by side with the door open.
I don´t understand why?
 

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Hi sounds a lot like mating behaviour not sure what age they start tho indie was about 6/7months when she started to spread her wings bow and make a noise to pico now she strips things puts them in her back and flys them up high she as started regurgitating too past few days to pico and me
(don’t actual know if she a she just guessing)
Pico does all the things you say wally does
He’s a

what does Eva do when he does this ?

how do you feel about separate cages ?
 

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There has been reports of Roseicollis breeding as young as 5 / 6 months.
Oyy, that’s pretty early. I thought he was chasing her because he was grumpy from the molting, which could also be contributing. But the next day he started doing the clicking noises, almost like a rapid succession of little kisses. Then he kept trying to step on her back.

As far as the cages, he wasn’t attacking her but he wasn’t letting her relax. He could chase her a bit and she would end up sleeping by the side of the cage, with one foot on the bars. I have the two cages, side by side. I know they still want to be together, they are still very bonded and cry for each other. I was going to leave the doors open to both so they can go in and out. And so that Eva has a place to go if she wants and if Wally is feeling grumpy, he can have his own stuff without feeling possessive. There is a chunk of the night where I’m not home so I wanted to give them the option to be together or be apart.
 

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In time they will have a bigger desire to shred paper, as well as try to cavity seek during hormonal periods.

could this be why pico and indie keep going behind curtains just use to be indie but now they both do it or folded up ironing board ?

sorry @Wally&Eva for asking question hope you don’t mind
 

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what does Eva do when he does this ?
She just looks so confused, yells at him, and runs to me for help haha. They are not even 4.5 months old!! They don’t really do the wing bowing.
how do you feel about separate cages ?
Today is the first day but it was tricky. Originally they have a small cage because they were babies and spent so much time outside just free. Like 10 hours. But I did know that I would be increasing my work hours in a few months so there was always a plan to buy a larger cage within the first 6 months. I was stuck between just selling the smaller cage and buying a large one but after reading so much here, I thought, what if in the future they stay friendly but become unbonded. I know I wouldn’t want to be stuck with a roommate forever. As I started to see their personalities develop, I saw that Wally was very hyper, curious, bossy, very stubborn and just really full of energy. Eva can fall in line a bit more, calm, cautious, affectionate, easily trainable, focused. I felt like it was an introvert/extrovert situation. And now this week with the hormones and mating dance :banghead: So with that in mind, I wanted to give them separate side by side cages to give them best of both worlds. I can be at rest knowing that she has the room to go away. And I could try to control Wally’s possessiveness by allowing him have his own stuff too. Because they genuinely do want to be together and most of this falls on me. I believe that if they had more time outside (together but apart) it could ease the frustrations. Not control it but not add to it. Are you going to allow indie and pico to have a clutch?
 

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sorry @Wally&Eva for asking question hope you don’t mind
Not at all! I need to be well versed in this new molting/hormonal stage and your babies are just a few months ahead of mine so I’m learning from you as well!
 

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She just looks so confused, yells at him, and runs to me for help haha. They are not even 4.5 months old!! They don’t really do the wing bowing.

Today is the first day but it was tricky. Originally they have a small cage because they were babies and spent so much time outside just free. Like 10 hours. But I did know that I would be increasing my work hours in a few months so there was always a plan to buy a larger cage within the first 6 months. I was stuck between just selling the smaller cage and buying a large one but after reading so much here, I thought, what if in the future they stay friendly but become unbonded. I know I wouldn’t want to be stuck with a roommate forever. As I started to see their personalities develop, I saw that Wally was very hyper, curious, bossy, very stubborn and just really full of energy. Eva can fall in line a bit more, calm, cautious, affectionate, easily trainable, focused. I felt like it was an introvert/extrovert situation. And now this week with the hormones and mating dance :banghead: So with that in mind, I wanted to give them separate side by side cages to give them best of both worlds. I can be at rest knowing that she has the room to go away. And I could try to control Wally’s possessiveness by allowing him have his own stuff too. Because they genuinely do want to be together and most of this falls on me. I believe that if they had more time outside (together but apart) it could ease the frustrations. Not control it but not add to it. Are you going to allow indie and pico to have a clutch?
Are yours dna tested is Wally the boy ? I can’t remember sorry

Indie and pico are in separate cages and spend time out together with me being there so indie only shows these behaviours when out bowing etc to pico she strips things in her cage and takes them off high

pico shows his behaviours to me but as @Zara said I put him down when he does normally this is when indie try’s to get him to feed her but he as none of it he did mate with his rope knot perch thing and feed it but I removed it as he stopped wanting to come out or would for 2mins then went straight back to his rope now he seems to have settled again since it’s gone
I don’t think he actually knows what to do with indie come ons to him

They aren’t bonded well I think indie is to pico but pico not to her he tolerates her but she sees him as hers
Indie very bossy if she thinks it’s hers it’s hers pico just lets her get on with it comes and tells me
They have started playing together a bit more though and pico doesn’t run away from her anymore he will sit on a perch with her
I thought Indie would be company for him but I actually think he would be happy just me n him

personally at min I can’t ever seen them bonding to have a clutch but I maybe wrong and I am not sure would scare me babies:rofl: plus I would have to keep babies because me and my daughter would get too attached and would have to be 5star homes

Are you going to let wally and Eva have a clutch in time ?
hopefully two cages solves your issues such a shame if they are bonded though hopefully wally settles And it’s just teenager time
 

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She just looks so confused, yells at him, and runs to me for help haha. They are not even 4.5 months old!! They don’t really do the wing bowing.

Today is the first day but it was tricky. Originally they have a small cage because they were babies and spent so much time outside just free. Like 10 hours. But I did know that I would be increasing my work hours in a few months so there was always a plan to buy a larger cage within the first 6 months. I was stuck between just selling the smaller cage and buying a large one but after reading so much here, I thought, what if in the future they stay friendly but become unbonded. I know I wouldn’t want to be stuck with a roommate forever. As I started to see their personalities develop, I saw that Wally was very hyper, curious, bossy, very stubborn and just really full of energy. Eva can fall in line a bit more, calm, cautious, affectionate, easily trainable, focused. I felt like it was an introvert/extrovert situation. And now this week with the hormones and mating dance :banghead: So with that in mind, I wanted to give them separate side by side cages to give them best of both worlds. I can be at rest knowing that she has the room to go away. And I could try to control Wally’s possessiveness by allowing him have his own stuff too. Because they genuinely do want to be together and most of this falls on me. I believe that if they had more time outside (together but apart) it could ease the frustrations. Not control it but not add to it. Are you going to allow indie and pico to have a clutch?
Plus I have mango now so when he/she gets introduced that’s probably going to change anything up
 

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I know they still want to be together, they are still very bonded and cry for each other.
I don´t think I´d be happy separating two birds if they are crying for each other.

There is a chunk of the night where I’m not home so I wanted to give them the option to be together or be apart.
So the cages are left open all night for them to go in and out?

I was stuck between just selling the smaller cage and buying a large one but after reading so much here, I thought, what if in the future they stay friendly but become unbonded.
I would have gone for the larger cage first. A pair need space so if one needs their own space, there´s plenty of space to move to and other perches to go to. In a small cage, it removes a lot of options and that can lead to them lashing out or feeling trapped.

I just worry that being a pair raised from tiny chicks together, a wedge could be caused. A larger cage for them, with plenty of perches, toys to hide behind, and multiple food and water bowls could help them be a pair.
They are sexually maturing, so there is a possibility they reject each other (or one rejects the other) as a mate. Which would be unfortunate.
To add, my sibling pair started to mate at 6 months old. And the sister laid her first egg after she turned a year old, so there was a good 6+ months were they were mating and no eggs being laid.

could this be why pico and indie keep going behind curtains just use to be indie but now they both do it or folded up ironing board ?
It could be. With age comes all of the behaviours for the species.

They aren’t bonded well I think indie is to pico but pico not to her he tolerates her but she sees him as hers
They have started playing together a bit more though and pico doesn’t run away from her anymore he will sit on a perch with her
personally at min I can’t ever seen them bonding
I thought Indie would be company for him but I actually think he would be happy just me n him
My Sydney was a single bird for many years. Very much a human bird (still is!), when Adelie came along, she weaned late at 5.5 months, and around 6 months, she had set her sights on Sydney as her partner. She would follow him around, spread her beautiful wings, it was quite sad to see Sydney bolt away from her. Over time he warmed up, and about 6 months later, they moved in together and have been bonded since. Almost 3 years now :)
 

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I don´t think I´d be happy separating two birds if they are crying for each other.


So the cages are left open all night for them to go in and out?


I would have gone for the larger cage first. A pair need space so if one needs their own space, there´s plenty of space to move to and other perches to go to. In a small cage, it removes a lot of options and that can lead to them lashing out or feeling trapped.

I just worry that being a pair raised from tiny chicks together, a wedge could be caused. A larger cage for them, with plenty of perches, toys to hide behind, and multiple food and water bowls could help them be a pair.
They are sexually maturing, so there is a possibility they reject each other (or one rejects the other) as a mate. Which would be unfortunate.
To add, my sibling pair started to mate at 6 months old. And the sister laid her first egg after she turned a year old, so there was a good 6+ months were they were mating and no eggs being laid.


It could be. With age comes all of the behaviours for the species.





My Sydney was a single bird for many years. Very much a human bird (still is!), when Adelie came along, she weaned late at 5.5 months, and around 6 months, she had set her sights on Sydney as her partner. She would follow him around, spread her beautiful wings, it was quite sad to see Sydney bolt away from her. Over time he warmed up, and about 6 months later, they moved in together and have been bonded since. Almost 3 years now :)
as Sydney and Adelie ever had a clutch ? Adelie sounds a lot like indie and pico like Sydney maybe then what a women wants haha
indie would happily live with pico she goes to his cage when out not her own when I try to put her back she flys to pico door n almost cry’s to go in does this about 5times then gives in n goes to hers me carrying her on perch
Mango will change things up though might she ?
 

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as Sydney and Adelie ever had a clutch ?
No.
And Ade is the only bird I give a supplement to as she has had to be rushed to hospital twice for nutrition deficiency. I don´t think it would be wise to breed her, could lead to ill offspring.

Mango will change things up though might she ?
It´s possible, because your birds are not bonded.
After Sydney and Ade bonded, Gis came along a year later. He´s housed right next to their cage, and they spend a lot of time near each other. But neither Sydney nor Adelie would stray and run off with Gis. They fly together often and there´s a clear limit in what they´ll let him be included in. So him coming along did not affect them at all because they were already bonded.
 

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No.
And Ade is the only bird I give a supplement to as she has had to be rushed to hospital twice for nutrition deficiency. I don´t think it would be wise to breed her, could lead to ill offspring.


It´s possible, because your birds are not bonded.
After Sydney and Ade bonded, Gis came along a year later. He´s housed right next to their cage, and they spend a lot of time near each other. But neither Sydney nor Adelie would stray and run off with Gis. They fly together often and there´s a clear limit in what they´ll let him be included in. So him coming along did not affect them at all because they were already bonded.
are all yours bonded in pairs then ? Sure I remember you saying that one separate but might be wrong
Have to wait and see what happens so scared just hope they get along I am dreading indie reaction
 

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are all yours bonded in pairs then ? Sure I remember you saying that one separate but might be wrong
My youngest, Gisli, is a single bird. He was unplanned (his home fell through just as we were plunged into forced confinement, march 2020).
 

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I don´t think I´d be happy separating two birds if they are crying for each other.
I don’t think they will ever be happy without each other. They love each other but Wally needs a bit of space and that’s fine. Eva just doesn’t understand the change and that kinda breaks my heart.
So the cages are left open all night for them to go in and out?
I have the doors open and facing each other. So they can go in and out of both cages. Explore what they like. Sleep where they want. Right now, they are sleeping together in the new cage, top perch, beak grinding, cuddling and happy. But they’ve been back and forth.
I would have gone for the larger cage first. A pair need space so if one needs their own space, there´s plenty of space to move to and other perches to go to. In a small cage, it removes a lot of options and that can lead to them lashing out or feeling trapped.

I just worry that being a pair raised from tiny chicks together, a wedge could be caused. A larger cage for them, with plenty of perches, toys to hide behind, and multiple food and water bowls could help them be a pair.
Totally wanted a big cage to house both, I had plans of having a clutch in the future. Just didn’t work out that way. They were tiny tiny so they definitely grew into their cage. And outside of a sleeping cage, we knew it would only be adequate for about 6 months. Now it’s two cages facing each other with the door open. They are still stuck to each other like glue hahah. I knew they would be. It was just killing me to see Eva sleeping on the side of the cage instead of comfortably on her normal perch. And even in a larger cage $200+ he would have still chased her around. I don’t know why but he is super active around the cage. After doubling the cage, it seems to be working out great. Obviously it’s more area to explore. But I like that there is only a little door separating them. It’s a small slot. It much more of a purposeful movement to get away or stay together. It kind of slows him down. It was the first time Eva slept on a perch comfortably in 3 days. She’s cuddled up next to him haha
 

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So they can go in and out of both cages. Explore what they like. Sleep where they want.
Well as long as they have access to each other can can choose to be together :)

Hopefully it works out for you.
 

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I don’t think they will ever be happy without each other. They love each other but Wally needs a bit of space and that’s fine. Eva just doesn’t understand the change and that kinda breaks my heart.

I have the doors open and facing each other. So they can go in and out of both cages. Explore what they like. Sleep where they want. Right now, they are sleeping together in the new cage, top perch, beak grinding, cuddling and happy. But they’ve been back and forth.

Totally wanted a big cage to house both, I had plans of having a clutch in the future. Just didn’t work out that way. They were tiny tiny so they definitely grew into their cage. And outside of a sleeping cage, we knew it would only be adequate for about 6 months. Now it’s two cages facing each other with the door open. They are still stuck to each other like glue hahah. I knew they would be. It was just killing me to see Eva sleeping on the side of the cage instead of comfortably on her normal perch. And even in a larger cage $200+ he would have still chased her around. I don’t know why but he is super active around the cage. After doubling the cage, it seems to be working out great. Obviously it’s more area to explore. But I like that there is only a little door separating them. It’s a small slot. It much more of a purposeful movement to get away or stay together. It kind of slows him down. It was the first time Eva slept on a perch comfortably in 3 days. She’s cuddled up next to him haha
have you got a picture of your set up ?sounds like it’s working well
Have you thought about getting another pair if you wanted a clutch ?
 
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