Cinnamon pearl cockatiel or just a normal pearl?

[StormyTiel]

I have a normal 6 year old male cockatiel and a one and a half year old male cockatiel. He was sold to me as a pearly pied but if you look at the pictures he is not visually a pied. He has lost his pearls which is normal as a male but he is a lot lighter and browner and so I’m wondering if he’s a cinnamon. Thank you!

 

[finchly]

I’m’ not really seeing cinnamon.Sorry.

 

[Sunni Tiel]

I’m’ not really seeing cinnamon.Sorry.

Yeah me neither.

Welcome to the avenue! Your birds are so pretty!

 

[StormyTiel]

Thank you! No problem!

 

[camelotshadow]

Don't see any cinnamon.

One is pearl & if it lost the pearls its male.

Not sure of pied. A split to pied can have a white patch on the back of its head.

 

[StormyTiel]

He doesn’t have a white patch even though my normal male does so could he still be split for pied and could my normal male be split for pied?

 

[sunnysmom]

Very cute tiels. Am I seeing white spots on the back of the normal's head? If so, he might actually be a light pied.

 

[StormyTiel]

Very cute tiels. Am I seeing white spots on the back of the normal's head? If so, he might actually be a light pied.

Thank you! Yes I agree there are distinct spots on the back of my normals head. There may be a tiny spot on the pearls too. First two pictures are the normal, Disco and the second two are my pearl, Storm.

 

[sunnysmom]

Thank you! Yes I agree there are distinct spots on the back of my normals head. There may be a tiny spot on the pearls too. First two pictures are the normal, Disco and the second two are my pearl, Storm.

I think your normal is actually a pied then
My tiel Scooter is similar.

@Monica

 

[StormyTiel]

I think your normal is actually a pied then
My tiel Scooter is similar.

@Monica

That’s awesome thank you!

 

[StormyTiel]

Also is there still a chance Storm (the pearl) is split for pied?

 

[Monica]

I would hazard to guess that Disco is a normal split whiteface and possibly pied (and possibly another mutation)

Storm appears to be a standard pearl - hesitant to say he's cinnamon, but I do see that lighter coloring you speak of.

 

[StormyTiel]

I would hazard to guess that Disco is a normal split whiteface and possibly pied (and possibly another mutation)

Storm appears to be a standard pearl - hesitant to say he's cinnamon, but I do see that lighter coloring you speak of.

That’s awesome! I agree, I’ve looked at pictures of cinnamons and he doesn’t look exactly like them but he does not look the same as Discos dark grey.

 

[Dona]

Here’s an old and terrible pic of my cinnamon pearl baby that we had for 17 years. She wasn’t gray at all, she was kind of soft taupe.

 

[StormyTiel]

Here’s an old and terrible pic of my cinnamon pearl baby that we had for 17 years. She wasn’t gray at all, she was kind of soft taupe.
View attachment 395961

She’s adorable! I see she doesn’t look grey at all! Much different than my boy

 

[camelotshadow]

The pearl gene could lighten the gray (as sometimes the pearl still remains as a mottling) & there could be different grays but cinnamon is a distinct brownish/taupe tone.

Was the mother of this bird cinnamon? She would have to be cinnamon as its a sex linked recessive gene for any chance that a chick would be cinnamon. So if she was grey then the bird is grey.

Males can be split to cinnamon but will appear grey. Females with the cinnamon gene can only look cinnamon.

A split to cinnamon was far as I know can't be seen & only can be known if when paired with a cinnamon hen if some of the chicks are cinnamon & they may also have to be female...not sure but Monica is the one to go for genetics. @Monica

 

[StormyTiel]

The pearl gene could lighten the gray (as sometimes the pearl still remains as a mottling) & there could be different grays but cinnamon is a distinct brownish/taupe tone.

Was the mother of this bird cinnamon? She would have to be cinnamon as its a sex linked recessive gene for any chance that a chick would be cinnamon. So if she was grey then the bird is grey.

Males can be split to cinnamon but will appear grey. Females with the cinnamon gene can only look cinnamon.

A split to cinnamon was far as I know can't be seen & only can be known if when paired with a cinnamon hen if some of the chicks are cinnamon & they may also have to be female...not sure but Monica is the one to go for genetics. @Monica

Sadly I don’t know what the parents looked like. Thank you!

 

[StormyTiel]

So how do you tell if a cockatiel is split for something? I know some colors you can’t tell without breeding but what colors can you tell and how so with those colors?

 

[Monica]

A split to cinnamon was far as I know can't be seen & only can be known if when paired with a cinnamon hen if some of the chicks are cinnamon & they may also have to be female...not sure but Monica is the one to go for genetics. @Monica

If a male is carrying the cinnamon gene, regardless of what he is paired with, he will throw cinnamon offspring. If the hen is not cinnamon, all offspring that show the mutation will automatically be females. Doesn't matter if male is visual or split cinnamon! Split cinnamon, 50% female offspring are visual. Visual cinnamon, 100% female offspring are visual.

If the female is cinnamon, then you could get males or females that are visuals. Any non-visual males will automatically be split cinnamon.

So how do you tell if a cockatiel is split for something? I know some colors you can’t tell without breeding but what colors can you tell and how so with those colors?

*MOST* mutations, you can't! Of the mutations, these are the possible split markings that I am aware of


Pied - "tick markings" on the back of the head - may sometimes have white toenails, flight feathers or tail feathers - usually no more than 1 or 2 total

Pearl - "ghost pearls" can be seen on the back - not to be confused with a pearl male that will also have mottling on the tail feathers (split pearls do not have this mottling)

Whiteface - white "halo" around the mask

 

[camelotshadow]

I don't think I'll ever get those sex linked genes straight as I have struggled wit it for years & don't seem to have any more understanding as the sex chromosomes are birds are opposite of humans & I'm afraid my aging mind is just tired & worn out. It takes me forever to make up my mind as it is bogged down with 101 details some of which may not even exist or at least be of a concern to 99 % of the population.
Stinks to be me sometimes. I'm so afraid to get something wrong or to miss something that I waste time on the most trivial. I'll look at screw & nut patterns on the bus. I drive myself crazy. I make things out of shadows & whispers. My imagination is a limitless flaw to my destruction