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Certified Avian Specialist course?

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danadear

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What's it all about? It looks interesting. I don't have any desire (at this point anyway) of being involved in a birdy business but this course looks very enlightening. Has anyone here gone through the course and taken the test? Worth it or no?
 

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Haven't taken it myself but have read of others who have. I have heard that it's a great course to take, even if you have no plans on selling or raising birds. The information alone is valuable.

Here's a list of links I have on/about courses.

AFA Releases Online Certification Course

PIJAC
AFA Fundamentals of Aviculture
Welcome to BehaviorWorks.org (Caregiver & Professional Courses available)
ACS Distance Education: Correspondence Courses in Horticulture, Psychology, Business, IT, Agriculture and more (provides an orithology course for birds in general)
Home Study Course in Bird Biology — Home Study Course (wild birds)
 

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Awesome! Thanks so much!

Again I have no desire to have a bird type business and I will never breed or sell birds. No offense to those who do but it is not in me as I know I would never be able to part with one for fear of what could possibly happen to it. I'd end up a bird hoarder with a thousand birds because I'd be too afraid to send one home with a stranger.

If I could find a way to make a living spending my time with birds all day I'd love it but it would not be as a breeder.

I am totally in love with my birds and want to know more more more and do my best for them. If I ever won the lottery I'd probably buy a gigantic piece of property and have an animal rescue/sanctuary.

I also love learning and would go back to school right now if I didn't already have student loan debt to pay off. I'd love to take a class that I actually enjoyed rather than a business class.

Thanks for the links!
 

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I feel that when it comes to parrots, which is what I'm assuming we all specifically care about, there really isn't a huge enough body of knowledge at this point IMO where one can actually claim, or even bestow, "expertise." This is probably more true when it comes to parrot behavior (of interest to us pet keepers) than breeding practices or other areas. As even Dr. Friedman is a doctor of human phychology who trains animals. Learning, or BF Skinners "operant conditioning" (ABA, positive reinforcement -or trick training) is only one sub-category of behavior. Trick training can enrich a relationship but many issues cannot be soved by it.

Behaviorists along the lines of Dr. Jaak Panksepp or Temple Grandin PhD have taken it's study farther in animals in terms of mapping it's neuro-pathways, it's genetic influence, environment, etc. They use techniques such as ESB (electrronic stimulation of the brain to bring about certain behaviors), sonogram, controlled experiments, etc. I can hardly begin to describe how interestning and enlightening their studies are. Point being there is far more that influences behavior than simply consequence. But there haven't been significant studies done on parrots to my knowledge in the above areas. Dr. Pepperberg took the "all behavior stems from consequence" idea farther and did what Skinner was largely unable to do by applying a different approach. Alex didn't learn from the consequences of his actions but from watching a model. In brief she showed that if a bird had to find out that a cat was dangerous all on it's own then there wouldn't be any birds around. That birds also learn by what others of their species are doing (avioding cats in this case). That's just one aspect....."if my flockmate is avoiding cats, I guess I should too."

For trick training, one doesn't need to go farther than a good book like Melinda Johnson's clicker training for birds for the concepts behind it. Once those are down one can revise and tweak to suit the particlar bird or circumstance. The latter is what so many courses are offering and for alot more money than the price of a book.

I feel the same way about breeding. I'm as hungry for knowledge as the next person but I don't want it to come at the expense of bringing birds into a world where there's a high probabliity they'll suffer somewhere down the line.....no way! If I had the time and money I'd like to go back to school and study a subject that I enjoy. Even change careers. It might be biology, ornithology, or some related environmental field. But, for me, a degree is something one primarily gets if they want a job in that field. It tells a prospective employer that you have met a minimum criteria of education and gives them an idea of what you know. I also feel that any educated person can buy the same textbooks and study them on their own. There's no reason one can't be very knowledgeable AND self taught. You just can't get a job that way.

If I won the lottery I'd put a large chunk into conservation. And, education along the lines of mytoos.com People need to hear the truth about parrots as a pet. One can pick up the pieces and rescue only so many while the heart of the problem persists.
 
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Dana & LaSelva your posts are always interesting and good value on good subjects. They are more often than not informative and generally promote thoughtful and educational responses. And you are quite correct LaSelva, " We can't save them all", (to quote Stevo). Regarding further learning, "It's what we learn after we know it all that counts". Mind you, I've yet to meet someone who's gotten to the "know it all" part yet. We will never stop learning and this is how it should be. :)
 

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Wow, what a complement and I so appreciate it. All I can say is that I enjoy reading and learning myself and am a very quiet and introspective person. The best use of our time on a forum like this IMO this is to exchange educated thoughts on a subject especially when there's no factual right or wrong.
 

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I am considering doing the Susan Friedman course and am planning to do Lara Joseph's program where you get to go and train with her for a day or two.

What's it all about? It looks interesting. I don't have any desire (at this point anyway) of being involved in a birdy business but this course looks very enlightening. Has anyone here gone through the course and taken the test? Worth it or no?
 

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I actually signed up for Susan Friedman's class at least a few years ago, but never made it in for some reason. Would love to take it sometime if I have the time for it! But then, I'd also want to take the other courses, too! LOL

Lara Joseph is moving, and I can't wait to see her new setup! And the crow that she's been training atm? Gorgeous! I'm jealous, to say the least!
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I am really excited about Lara's place too. It sounds like it is going to be great. I am waiting to hear that things are up and running so that I can make arrangements to go there!

I actually signed up for Susan Friedman's class at least a few years ago, but never made it in for some reason. Would love to take it sometime if I have the time for it! But then, I'd also want to take the other courses, too! LOL

Lara Joseph is moving, and I can't wait to see her new setup! And the crow that she's been training atm? Gorgeous! I'm jealous, to say the least!
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I have taken Susan Friedman's course. It was excellent and everyone is very helpful! Lara is fantastic! I know her well. I wish she would come east to teach a class!
 

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I liked Cornell's course, and it was very informative. But it was mostly about wild birds, and talked little about actually caring for birds.
 

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I feel that when it comes to parrots, which is what I'm assuming we all specifically care about, there really isn't a huge enough body of knowledge at this point IMO where one can actually claim, or even bestow, "expertise."

But, for me, a degree is something one primarily gets if they want a job in that field. It tells a prospective employer that you have met a minimum criteria of education and gives them an idea of what you know. I also feel that any educated person can buy the same textbooks and study them on their own. There's no reason one can't be very knowledgeable AND self taught. You just can't get a job that way.

If I won the lottery I'd put a large chunk into conservation. And, education along the lines of mytoos.com People need to hear the truth about parrots as a pet. One can pick up the pieces and rescue only so many while the heart of the problem persists.
I'd have to agree with that.
 

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Wow..I should really get on the internet more at night..lol. Thanks for the responses! I think I will look into it, not because I want a certification because honestly what can a class with no hands on training really prepare you to do with birds? But I do love learning and studying and then finding out how much I learned so this course really looks like something right up my alley..and hey..a hundred bucks and you get to keep a nice manual for future reference? Why not? I am just so incredibly interested and fascinated with my birds and am hungry for information. Thanks for the info and the links!
 

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I completed the AFA Certified Aviculturist level 1 course a couple of years ago....

It was pretty basic, I was able to pass all the tests with 100% without really completing the course materials, I do like that I was able to download and keep the course materials as a reference....

If I were a Vet Tech or something like that I think it wold be a great certification to have on my resume, but I did it just to increase my knowledge.....
 

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I took the PJAC course and am technically a CAS. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend it. It's geared toward working in a pet store and a lot of the information is either incorrect or geared toward commercial sales. There is some anatomy and other helpful information, but you can get that information from a better course. I'm signed up for the behavior works caregiver course in Jan 2014 (they have a long waiting list) but I'll probably take the professional course before that. I just have other courses I need to do first.
 

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I took the PJAC course and am technically a CAS. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend it. It's geared toward working in a pet store and a lot of the information is either incorrect or geared toward commercial sales. There is some anatomy and other helpful information, but you can get that information from a better course. I'm signed up for the behavior works caregiver course in Jan 2014 (they have a long waiting list) but I'll probably take the professional course before that. I just have other courses I need to do first.
Wow..thanks for that information. maybe I should just skip it then. :( Is the behavior works class you are taking online?
 

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Wow..thanks for that information. maybe I should just skip it then. :( Is the behavior works class you are taking online?
Yes, both the caregiver and professional courses are online.
 
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