AB's random morning question: Species vs Sub-Species?

[AussieBird]

Was actually hard to figure out where to post this, if needed do move to wherever!

I often get random question I really want to know the answer to, so here's today's.
I read somewhere recently that someone said White winged parakeets and Canary Winged parakeets are just subspecies of Brotogeris.
From my basic understanding of animal taxonomy, this isn't correct They're two species.
B. chiriri (CWP)
B. versicolurus (WWP)

I've been thinking it's like saying IRN and Slaty heads are just "subspecies" of the Psittacula. That's just the Genus not species.

So am I correct in thinking they're two different species or are they really subspecies??

 

[AussieBird]

Forgot to tag people
@expressmailtome @Kiwi's Dad

 

[Mizzely]

They are different species you are correct, Brotogeris is a genus, not a Species.

 

[Kiwi's Dad]

Yes, CWP and WWP are two different species. The example you gave is on point!

 

[AussieBird]

Yes, CWP and WWP are two different species. The example you gave is on point!

I also learnt today that CWP isn't really the correct name for B. chiriri, why are they such a confusing group of species??

 

[Kiwi's Dad]

I also learnt today that CWP isn't really the correct name for B. chiriri, why are they such a confusing group of species??

I've been under the impression that Canary-winged parakeet or Yellow Chevroned parakeet was the correct terminology.

 

[AussieBird]

I've been under the impression that Canary-winged parakeet or Yellow Chevroned parakeet was the correct terminology.

If you search up Canary winged parrot you mostly get results for WWP. But if you search B. chiriri you get yellow chevroned parakeet.
Also is a page that says it's a common name for both species.

Canary-winged parakeet - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Again why so confusing??

 

[Kiwi's Dad]

I believe they're such a confusing species because they're so rare

 

[Xoetix]

I applaud you for trying to tackle this.

Meanwhile I'm still over here confused by every white, crested cockatoo species

 

[Mizzely]

I applaud you for trying to tackle this.

Meanwhile I'm still over here confused by every white, crested cockatoo species

Yeah if they are a white, crested cockatoo, I am lost

 

[Xoetix]

Yeah if they are a white, crested cockatoo, I am lost

I can ID a citron vs a sulphur crested, and that's about the end of it greater? Lesser? Triton? I dunno. Mines a triton, and that's the extent of my knowledge she's white with yellow French fries. Boom. Done.

 

[AussieBird]

I applaud you for trying to tackle this.

'Tis the bird nerd part of me

Meanwhile I'm still over here confused by every white, crested cockatoo species

When comes to those subspecies, I run
Wasn't even aware for a long time that there was more than GSC2 and LSC2
I can name you practically all the black 'too species but I am not getting into the subspecies


For anyone's interest
B. chiriri = Yellow chevroned parakeet aka Canary winged parakeet
B. versicolurus = White winged parakeet
B. jugularis = Orange chinned parakeet, which is what result you get when you search up "Bee Bee parakeet". And guess what? Orange chinned Parakeets do have a subspecies!

What am I even doing?

 

[Xoetix]

When comes to those subspecies, I run
Wasn't even aware for a long time that there was more than GSC2 and LSC2
I can name you practically all the black 'too species but I am not getting into the subspecies

I don't understand them at all hahaha

Citron is a lesser I think? And GSC2s are just... Greaters, I don't know of any other names. A triton is a lesser even though it's bigger than most lesser but still smaller than a greater...? I dunno. I don't get it

Are there cockatiel subspecies? Since a cockatiel is a cockatoo(ish)?

 

[Kiwi's Dad]

For anyone's interest
B. chiriri = Yellow chevroned parakeet aka Canary winged parakeet
B. versicolurus = White winged parakeet
B. jugularis = Orange chinned parakeet, which is what result you get when you search up "Bee Bee parakeet". And guess what? Orange chinned Parakeets do have a subspecies!

What am I even doing?

You forgot the
Colbat-Winged parakeet = (B. cyanoptera)
And
Golden-Wing parakeet = B. chrysopterus​

 

[AussieBird]

You forgot the
Colbat-Winged parakeet = (B. cyanoptera)
And
Golden-Wing parakeet = B. chrysopterus​

Trying to keep it simple

 

[Zara]

I wonder if there's a good reference book you could try and get? Something written by an expert on these species?

@Xoetix , any ideas on this guys species?

 

[Xoetix]

@Xoetix , any ideas on this guys species?

That, I think, is a golden crested floofatoo - they're frequently mistaken as being a lesser crested but really they're their own species of floofatoos. They range all over the southern hemisphere, and feed their young from the stuffings of pillows!

 

[Zara]

feed their young from the stuffings of pillows!

Well, he is super soft

 

[Kiwi's Dad]

As you know I’ll be getting a Brotogeris but I’m having trouble choosing between a CWP or WWP Any ideas?

 

[zoo mom]

As you know I’ll be getting a Brotogeris but I’m having trouble choosing between a CWP or WWP Any ideas?

Whichever one is available first.?