Ray’s Family Parrots: real or scam?

[Sheldon]

ive been searching breeders so I can get a baby blue and gold macaw to add to my flock. I’m not sure wether or not this breeder is a scam and I’m wondering if anyone on here has had experience with them or has heard of them. http://rayfamilyparrot.com/index.html
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!

 

[Hankmacaw]

Scam - take a look at the prices on the Hyacinths in particular. The pictures on their site are out of focus and very bad.

I think we had an inquiry about this Scammer recently.

 

[Mizzely]

There is only ONE result on Facebook for this company, and it is a post from August 2018, and suggests scam: Alyssa Smith - Hi there! Is anyone familiar with Ray's... | Facebook

The domain: Registration Date: 2018-07-27

Seems odd that they have been in business for 9 years but only registered the domain a few months ago is a red flag.

Having +1 in the phone number suggests the creator of the website is also not from the United States.

They are listed on the BBB website as not compliant with licensing requirements Ray's Family Parrots | Better Business Bureau® Profile

Pet Scam Website: Rayfamilyparrot.com Ray's Family Parrots-sales@rayfamilyparrot.com-+16788818037

 

[Fia Baby]

Their language usage isn't standard. And free shipping? They also have contradictory information in some places. Stay away.

 

[Macawnutz]

If you do a bunch of reading on the forum regarding babies, you might change your mind and want to adopt.

If you are still set on a baby, call Brian at micro brood aviary. He ships and you won't be sorry.

I would still suggest doing reading about babies. Baby to adult. Will they still love me? | Avian Avenue Parrot Forum

 

[sunnysmom]

If you're interested in adopting, most rescues usually have lots of macaws available. I know we have a number of them at our local rescue currently.

 

[alshgs]

It doesn’t sound trustworthy to me! There are lots of blue and golds in rescues if you’re interested! That’s what we hope to adopt in the next year or so

 

[SandraK]

There is only ONE result on Facebook for this company, and it is a post from August 2018, and suggests scam: Alyssa Smith - Hi there! Is anyone familiar with Ray's... | Facebook

The domain: Registration Date: 2018-07-27

Seems odd that they have been in business for 9 years but only registered the domain a few months ago is a red flag.

Having +1 in the phone number suggests the creator of the website is also not from the United States.

They are listed on the BBB website as not compliant with licensing requirements Ray's Family Parrots | Better Business Bureau® Profile

Pet Scam Website: Rayfamilyparrot.com Ray's Family Parrots-sales@rayfamilyparrot.com-+16788818037

The phone number according to reverse lookup is a private landline in northwest Atlanta, GA. The Petscam indicates that there is a country (which I would not trust) associated with the seller. We had to dial a 1 in front of different area codes in the U.S. but cell phones automatically add a 1 nowadays. International would be 011+country code+area code+phone #. It could be a set up so that calls to that # are forwarded to another.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

 

[Mizzely]

The phone number according to reverse lookup is a private landline in northwest Atlanta, GA. We had dial a 1 in front of different area codes in the U.S. but cell phones automatically add a 1 nowadays.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

Right but a US based business doing only business in the US like this claims would not do +1. Some might put 1, but the plus sign is an indicator that a non US entity is making the website

 

[SandraK]

There was also a scam about yellow macaws a couple of months ago - bad photoshopping of a pair of scarlet macaws with most of the background removed so it was hard to tell without paying attention to details.

 

[Garet]

The photos of the "red factor grays" have been exited. The first photo of them is reaaaaallllly badly done. They just literally colorized it, increased the saturation and fiddled with the brightness/contrast. You can see a red halo around them where they didn't crop it properly or accidentally selected things they didn't mean to. Their masks and parts of their feathers are just completely whited out thanks to the contrast efect they used to try and make the red feathers look more textured, while the redder feathers just look off because of how saturated they are. Their feathers have just blended into a solid mass of red.

I draw as a hobby, this was done in GIMP. It's a program that isn't really all that good and often gives me the same issues when I use it to work on stuff I've drawn and scanned in.

The second looks more real, but if those are real birds, they're very sick or are a different species of bird.

 

[Mizzely]

Also in the US anyone that is selling a baby hyacinth for under 5k is definitely not legit. They are 7 to 10k each.

 

[iamwhoiam]

The photos of the

The photos of the "red factor grays" have been exited. The first photo of them is reaaaaallllly badly done. They just literally colorized it, increased the saturation and fiddled with the brightness/contrast. You can see a red halo around them where they didn't crop it properly or accidentally selected things they didn't mean to. Their masks and parts of their feathers are just completely whited out thanks to the contrast efect they used to try and make the red feathers look more textured, while the redder feathers just look off because of how saturated they are. Their feathers have just blended into a solid mass of red.

I draw as a hobby, this was done in GIMP. It's a program that isn't really all that good and often gives me the same issues when I use it to work on stuff I've drawn and scanned in.

The second looks more real, but if those are real birds, they're very sick or are a different species of bird.

The photos of the red factor greys can also be found here:
Exotic Red Factor African Greys For Sale - Home
Exotic Red Factor African Greys For Sale - Contact

 

[Garet]

The photos of the

The photos of the red factor greys can also be found here:
Exotic Red Factor African Greys For Sale - Home
Exotic Red Factor African Greys For Sale - Contact

The ones in the first link are definitely not real.


They accidentally colored this one's beak, legs, face, eye, AND band.

 

[iamwhoiam]

The ones in the first link are definitely not real.

I agree and my first thought was that they were Photoshopped. There are red factor greys but I've read that they can molt out the red.

 

[Garet]

I agree and my first thought was that they were Photoshopped. There are red factor greys but I've read that they can molt out the red.

GIMP is definitely the program they used. It's easier to recolor with photoshPh.

 

[Mizzely]

I've seen some people use GIMP with awesome results and others use Photoshop with results like these.

 

[Garet]

Another good example of what I mean about the shading. Compete his legs to his chest and his (missing) face.

I think they flat out forgot to recolor his butt/leg feathers.

 

[Garet]

I've seen some people use GIMP with awesome results and others use Photoshop with results like these.

You'll see it with gimp more often than not. With Photoshop, you can just layer the color and crop it to what you want to select.

 

[Garet]

Oh Gods they have real animals.

He really doesn't look okay.
He's only SEVEN.

ETA: He belongs to the people the stolen edited images belong to.

 

[iamwhoiam]

I've seen some people use GIMP with awesome results and others use Photoshop with results like these.

I've seen the same.