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Urgent Need advice on foods etc good for resp infection in budgie

meheartbirds

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I had 5 birds flown here from Indiana and the story is long but you can read it in the budgie section under Beware when you buy.
The first budgie died this week of a respiratory illness of which it is still not known the causative factor despite many Negative cultures and labs while she was living and now waiting for the necropsy cultures.
Meanwhile I want advice on constructive foods for the next female affected and today a third one is having fast breathing tonight. I have a wonderful avian vet who is doing everything possible and Tiara is getting antibiotics and breathing treatments daily.
I have been reading about nutritional ways to combat infection. I am more than happy if anyone has any success stories about what nutrition they used to help their sick bird. Thanks.
This pic shows Tiara on the left, Buffett in the middle who now is breathing fast tonight and Gaga who died this week.
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A sick bird usually does not eat well. Have you looked into supplements and herbs that are immune boosters?
You are right..Tiara seems to have a poor appetite which Gaga also experienced. Herb wise I have chili pepper flakes and cayenne pepper but I have not seen her eating them. I also have fresh foods good for budgies, fresh pumpkin sliced in half, squashes fresh, Brussel sprouts on a stalk.
 

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My budgies love birdie bread. You can disguise many veggies in the bread. I buy the mix on Amazon called Mammas. Also look into herb salad on Amazon. You serve it in a shallow dish which allows birds to forage through the mix and self medicating. They eat what their body needs.
 

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Lady Jane I notice you have English Budgies. People tell me that English Budgies are prone to have breathing problems because of the way they were bred away from the regular budgie. Have you also noticed this? I have had a hard time finding English Budgies to buy from breeders and that is why I used a breeder out of state which sadly turned out to be the wrong decision.
 

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My two have not had any respiratory issues. Last year murphy had AGY i caught in early stages so treatment worked. I reaalize now feeding fresh corn may have been the source.

I searched far and wide for EB. Found a breeder in NJ which is within driving distance. Got murphy first but he was so unhappy alone i got mickey from same breeder. They have very different personalities and not from same clutch. I am sorry your birds have not been healthy. If you have one of the birds pass away please have aa necropsy done so you understand and any future birds coming into your home will be safe from diseases.
 

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My two have not had any respiratory issues. Last year murphy had AGY i caught in early stages so treatment worked. I reaalize now feeding fresh corn may have been the source.

I searched far and wide for EB. Found a breeder in NJ which is within driving distance. Got murphy first but he was so unhappy alone i got mickey from same breeder. They have very different personalities and not from same clutch. I am sorry your birds have not been healthy. If you have one of the birds pass away please have aa necropsy done so you understand and any future birds coming into your home will be safe from diseases.
Lady Jane here is the initial post I made on the budgie page to save you time that you will want to read...important.




The Tale of the Bobbing Tail

I decided to get my cockatiel ..a friend ... and as I was reading, I also fell in love with the qualities of English Budgies ( EB ). An Avian Breeder in Indiana had both for sale so after about of month of correspondence and looking at all the pics of her present babies for sale..I fell in love with a female blue, she seemed to call out to me. I even named her GAGA because I sure went gaga over her. Her pic was beautiful in all poses but I noticed brown feathers about her cere ( the “skin” that surrounds the nostrils ). I have no training in bird diseases and the breeder must have wondered why I picked her because she even said with a tone of incredulity “You want HER???”. Still she said nothing to make me think I should not buy her. She must have known I had no idea what was wrong with her. She sent me more pics of her as time went by and some showed the brown spots and in others it was washed off. I finally asked about it and she said it was just food from the babies on her feathers. I picked out 3 more baby EB and a cockatiel baby just weaned.

On the evening of October 18th , five lovely birds were shipped to me from the breeder in Indiana. The next day I noticed that Gaga was breathing faster than the other EB and also labored, as evidenced by her tail pumping up and down with each breath. As a nurse I know this was not normal so I made an appointment as a walk-in the the Avian and Exotic vet I take my birds to on the next day. She was seen Oct 20th.

The vet immediately saw her brown feathers above her cere and knew she had a respiratory infection. I was aghast because I saw the pics the breeder sent me on Oct 2nd and she was obviously sick then. I showed the pic to the vet and she agreed…”She sold you a very sick bird that was sick a long time., not only that..the bird
behind her is sick too!” I also mentioned that the bird was a baby and the vet looked at her and said, ”This is an older adult bird that has had babies!”

She sent me home with antibiotic mediation and told me to call back if she got worse. After 10 days on the medication, Gaga was starting to get worse so I called to tell the vet and the office said to bring her right in. I tearfully told them that I was out of funds and that also my other birds that were shipped were beginning to also look sick.

They advised me to call one of the avian rescue operations and they gave me names and numbers. The first person I called was incredibly kind and helpful and came over the same day with a cage with a warmer in it to keep her separate from the others. She brought seed and so much more. She looked at my bird and said not to worry that her rescue group would cover the costs for medical treatment. I was astounded!

That day we brought Gaga in and she was started on a different antibiotic. But at the same time the four other new birds were showing signs of stress and illness. The rescuer had her own appointment with one of the vets the next day which was Tues. She let me have her appointment she had made for her own bird!So the other four birds went in along with Gaga and they were all put on several meds and two of them on breathing treatments. All of this COVERED by this wonderful bird rescuer.

They did all kinds of tests including the rescuer herself sent off samples on each group of birds..My older group, the newer group and Gaga who was in her own cage.I would never have been able to cover all this at this point in time.

The new antibiotic did not appear to be working but we at least found out that despite all of the tests not showing the causative organism, the GOOD news was that she did not have Psittacosis which was the worse case scenario because it is contagious for animals and humans as well. Gaga got so bad that I rushed her back to the vet early one morning a few days ago and they were waiting for her and whisked her into the isolation oxygen cubicle.

She is still there after two nights and will stay over the weekend. They said last night they really thought they were going to lose her and were surprised this morning when she was still alive! Her breathing was too fast to count and tail pumping wildly. But I had a lot of people saying prayers for her and I know God is a God of Mercy had has granted me 3 miracle animal healings so far in my life. She is getting tube feedings since she stopped eating. I think if she can just hang on long enough for the antibiotic to start winning.

Last night at home my other EB female ( who was almost getting as bad as Gaga with the tail pumping ) Tiara started to show small signs of improvement…and her tail stopped pumping and the breathing less labored. Also the two males are looking better though they were never as sick as the other two and the Cockatiel , who only had puffy feathers which can be a sign of illness, looks great.

Thank God for the goodness of people! The vet assistant who recommended the avian rescue, and the rescuer herself.

Meanwhile the breeder is being very nasty denying the bird was sick despite the pics that show clear evidence that she was sick at the beginning of October and who knows how long before that. In fact experts who have looked at the pics say that there are several birds besides Gaga in the pics that show evidence of respiratory distress (brown feathers above the cere is a classic sign). Plus another surprise: the rescuer and the vet and others who got to see her said she is an older mother bird…the breeder flatly denies this saying she was born in August of this year. The markings of the bird plus exam shows that she is not a baby.

The breeder unfortunately cares nothing for her birds and in fact told me when I first called her: “Oh just put her in another room and don’t look at her. If she dies she dies. I can’t afford to be paying more money to help her. I will just send you another bird.” This woman did not even care that ALL her birds are at risk for dying!! She acted ignorant of what Psittacosis is…and she is a breeder! Think of all the birds and the people who buy them will have to go thru these tragedies!
 

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Lady Jane Gaga died this week..it is on that thread. Everything was negative when she was living but she had a necropsy and now we await results of cultures and pathology.
 

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What a tragic story. I am sorry you lost Gaga and had to deal with such an evil breeder person. The rescue people were outstanding. If the necropsy shows something contagious you can call in authorities and let them know the breeder is shipping very sick birds. You will have evidence to prove this. Be strong like us nurses can be.
 

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What a tragic story. I am sorry you lost Gaga and had to deal with such an evil breeder person. The rescue people were outstanding. If the necropsy shows something contagious you can call in authorities and let them know the breeder is shipping very sick birds. You will have evidence to prove this. Be strong like us nurses can be.
The avian rescue has been so helpful and they plan to not let this go... they also have interest in shutting this horrible situation down. I have all the bills and pics before they were even shipped that show they were sick prior to shipping. This "breeder" has no interest in doing the right thing for the sake of her birds. But I do and my new friend does too.
 

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Oh my, what an awful story, and those poor birds! I’m so sorry for your loss and I hope your other birds pull through. I can’t believe how heartless that breeder is! You might want to look into Vetri DMG if you haven’t already, along with probiotics. There is also a holistic vet that you can call and have a phone consultation with. His name is Dr. David McCluggage, and he is very good and well respected. He might have some good immune boosting and nutritional advice.
 

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My budgies love birdie bread. You can disguise many veggies in the bread. I buy the mix on Amazon called Mammas. Also look into herb salad on Amazon. You serve it in a shallow dish which allows birds to forage through the mix and self medicating. They eat what their body needs.
Fred, my U2, never eats any vegetables. Would this help him as well?
 

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I am sorry about Gaga. You are getting great advice from one of the best up above.

There are many conscientious breeders out there, unfortunately you dealt with a bottom feeder. I remember when I got a Siamese kitten from such a breeder. She took the mother away from her 2 week old kittens so she would go back into heat and have more kittens. Needless to say the 'runt' developed all kinds of problems.

I am beginning to wonder because of this person's careless breeding habits if Gaga's respiratory problems had not been caused by inbreeding instead of an infection.
 

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I am sorry about Gaga. You are getting great advice from one of the best up above.

There are many conscientious breeders out there, unfortunately you dealt with a bottom feeder. I remember when I got a Siamese kitten from such a breeder. She took the mother away from her 2 week old kittens so she would go back into heat and have more kittens. Needless to say the 'runt' developed all kinds of problems.

I am beginning to wonder because of this person's careless breeding habits if Gaga's respiratory problems had not been caused by inbreeding instead of an infection.
She recently had purchased and entire aviary that was going out of business she said. She had to pack them in to her car to make the trip back to Indiana. It was kind of an unplanned decision at a bird show. I wonder if the breeder who sold their entire aviary of birds possibly also knew she had too many sick birds???
 

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She recently had purchased and entire aviary that was going out of business she said. She had to pack them in to her car to make the trip back to Indiana. It was kind of an unplanned decision at a bird show. I wonder if the breeder who sold their entire aviary of birds possibly also knew she had too many sick birds???
Probably. Some breeders are content to just pass their problem on down.
 
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