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Baby bird scared to eat?

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I got Dexter, my umbrella cockatoo, when he was 8 weeks old. He is now 15 weeks old, and is flying around and weaning. However, something happened two days ago. After having a good meal, he decided to fly across the room. He landed on a chair, and lost his balance. He leaned very far forward, ending up upside down. While hanging there, he started losing the food. A third of what he ate was vomited up before I was able to right him. Now, he seems to be scared to eat. He was eating every 8 hours (going about 16 hours every two feedings, because he skips his morning meal, refuses to eat it) but now he's going 24 hours, refusing to eat until the hunger overtakes him. Even after all that time, he only eats 2/3 of what he used to. When I start feeding him, he is very "desperate" to eat. He bobs vigorously.

My reasoning is that he's afraid it will happen to him again. I'm also scared that he may have aspirated some formula when he was upside down.

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If he aspirated food you should be able to hear some effects, like heavy or raspy breathing by now. Is his breathing ok. If you have any doubts about him aspirating, get him to a vet immediately. He may need antibiotics to fight a lung infection.

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Hope you can get it figured out!
 

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Your bird is way too young to be fully weaned. Some of what is going on is that the bird has "regressed".

You should be taking him to an avian vet for a checkup simply because he's so young and you're having issues already.

Some good reading. Weaning Sadie

Abundance Weaning and Fledging
Wilhelm (Bill) Kiesselbach
Permission granted March 31, 2009
There is absolutely nothing more important for the healthy emotional and intellectual development of a young parrot than Abundance Weaning and Fledging. The term "Abundance Weaning" was created and trademarked by Phoebe Greene Linden of Santa Barbara Bird Farm. She has written extensively about it and subsequently, the term has been adopted by bird behaviorists as identifying the single most important contributing factor to the birds' emotional and physical health. As opposed to "forced" weaning where birds are on a specific schedule and, usually based on their age, the breeder decides when they ought to be weaned, "Abundance Weaning" leaves that decision to the bird.

Supplied with a variety of foods ranging from fruit and vegetable tidbits to pellets that should be available all the time, the bird is continued to be hand fed. A properly weaned bird learns to trust humans through the actions of it's caregiver. It gains self-confidence, learns to accept different foods readily and is comfortable in a changing environment. While initially "Abundance Weaning" is exclusively needed for nutrition, eventually it turns into the need for emotional comfort. The word "weaning" in this context implies an awareness of the bird's needs. It goes beyond the mere satisfaction of nutritional requirements. "Weaning implies love, caring, emotional support and the application of simple, elementary rules. It implies knowledge of the early very distinctive stages in their maturation and the birds' individual changing and very specific behavioral patterns.

The Poultrification of parrots is an expression coined by Sally Blanchard and refers to the indiscriminate breeding of parrots on a large scale expressly motivated by profit. While there are even breeders who incubate eggs on a large scale and then ravage feed the babies without individual attention, emotional support or even a modicum of "Abundance Weaning", the worst case of poultrification is the bird breeding program by Petsmart. They breed birds by the thousands and then distribute them into their sales outlets. Everything Petsmart and volume breeders do literally flies into the face of everything we know about the emotional and intellectual needs of a young parrot. Birds "produced" in this manner are very likely to develop very serious behavioral problems. In many cases, breeders and pet shops will even offer a discount to those who are willing to buy an unweaned bird, a clear indication of a breeder or pet shop who doesn't care beyond the "jingle" in the cash register.

While the consequences for this lack of care won't be apparent when the birds are still babies, it will be very evident when they mature. They are prime candidates for seriously dysfunctional behavior. This, of course, is not to say that an Abundance Weaned bird is guaranteed to become a wonderful companion. A lot of knowledge, work, understanding, respect and love are still necessary. Abundance Weaning merely represents the vital foundation on which to build. Cage bound birds which are suspicious of changes in their lives, who reject their caregiver, who become phobic or even feather pluckers most likely have not been properly Abundance Weaned.

It is a fact that in the wild, African Greys as well as Cockatoos for instance, are "Abundance Weaned" long after they have fledged. 2 year old Cockatoos have been observed being fed by their parents and other relatives. Greys are being weaned and taught the "ways of life" for a number of years to prepare them not only to survive in a hostile environment, but also for the rules of behavior within their very own flock. Bobbi Brinker the noted breeder has instituted a system of "Nanny Birds" which helps her raise her babies. She has the reputation of producing healthy and well-adjusted parrots. (The title of her latest book: "For the Love of Greys*)

At this point, it may be interesting to recount the stunning behavioral difference between wild caught African Greys and captivity raised birds. While African Greys have the reputation of being feather pluckers, there has been almost no incidence of feather plucking observed in wild caught birds. While being trapped, caged and transported must represent a level of trauma to an intelligent and sensitive creature that is hard to imagine, these birds clearly came emotionally equipped to deal with that. On the other hand the birds bred in captivity, cared for, fed and never subjected to the tremendous stress of their wild caught cousins are historically more prone to becoming phobic. The answer seems to be that they are ill prepared to deal with the uncertain, ever changing circumstances of a life with a bunch of mammals who don't even begin to understand them. Something was missing in their upbringing — in all likely hood they have not been properly weaned isa major part.

There is another component in successfully growing up: Learning to fly. Birds must learn to fly. Their sense of self-confidence and emotional well being depends on it. They must be able to maneuver and land safely. While the pure act of flying is a vital part of their development, it has been suggested that letting them learn to fly may even impact their eating habits. When a bird gets ready to fledge, it will instinctively reduce its food intake. That is to loose some of the accumulated baby fat and make it lighter. Many times loving caregivers become extremely concerned about lack of eating and weight loss. It has been suggested that our birds must fly to lose their focus on losing weight and regain their "normal appetite". Even though we may later clip their wings in order to protect them from injuries or escaping, they must fly first. Once we decide to clip them, we have to make sure to do that correctly. There are very clear guidelines on proper wing clipping which are based on bodyweight, size and general agility and are different for every species. Properly clipping is important and won't harm the bird's self esteem; doing so improperly can be devastating, physically dangerous and cruel.

Finally, "Abundance Weaning" is entirely the breeder's responsibility. There is no question that the bird's future behavior patterns, his/her ability to relate, the levels of socialization and emotional health are very largely dependent uF_wn the care it receives early in its life.

The battle cry among all those dedicated to the well being of our companions parrots is: "Don't buy an unweaned bird" —and for a reason: Doing so clearly supports those who are in this business without regard to for the well-being of the creatures. We all should know the difference between a good breeder who cares for the birds and a bad, unscrupulous breeder. The entire future relationship between the buyer and the bird may very well depend on the breeder. A good breeder will never sell an unweaned bird and the bad breeder should be put out of business.

Articles elaborating on this subject can be found in Sally Blanchard's Pet Bird Report where Pamela Clark with her intelligent, perceptive and well founded articles is a contributor, as well as in a number of outstanding books about the upbringing and keeping of pet parrots. Sally also has developed a list of questions to qualify a breeder.

This article is not intended to provide all the necessary information, rather, it is intended to stimulate the awareness that we must do our homework before buying
a parrot!
 

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Sounds like he could be sick, too. Has he seen an avian vet? Should get a crop swab done to test for yeast and bacteria.
 

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Also, how many CCs are you offering him of formula? Temperature? Thickness?

Also are you offering solid foods yet?
 

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He's been eating solid foods for several weeks now, which has increased since he's been eating less often. The day after I took him home, when he was 8 weeks, I took him to the vet because I was scared he had aspirated. He made funny breathing sounds after I fed him, so I was concerned. The vet let me know he was perfectly healthy, and his breathing sounded fine. He is making the sounds when i feed him, but not when he is out and about. His formula is 105-109 degrees, more towards 108. Dexter is given solid foods 24/7 and we offer healthy human food, but he's not interested.

He is being fed as often as he will eat. We aren't force weaning him. He isn't becoming any less active. This appetite loss occurred overnight.
 

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Read the (2) articles I posted above. They are good preparation for the road ahead because you're really going to need the foresight of what to expect.

Your bird has regressed. What this means is that with the change in ownership at such an early fragile formative stage that "any" traumatic event will trigger it. Your lucky it didn't just trigger without an event.

Another factor is that the bird is reaching fledging stage. They will automatically drop weight in preparation for flight. (If he's clipped you've got another uphill battle right from the start) learning to fly now at this stage in the birds life is vitally important

More good reading.
Thinking on the Wing | The Parrot University, llc

Please read and educate yourself about parrot behaviour. This is for the both of your sakes. The road is very long and bumpy (40+ yrs). You're in the starting blocks.
 

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He's been a champ at flying for a couple weeks now, and started trying to fly three weeks ago. I took a college class on the care and behavior of birds. He is eating normally now. I've had him for almost three months, he was 8 weeks when I got him. He's had access to adult food since then.

He started happily eating three days after the incident.
 

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Glad he's doing well. Wow, a college class on parrot care! Everyone who is thinking of getting a bird should take that!
 

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It's a great class. It teaches everything from bird anatomy (feather types, respiratory system, digestive system), wild behavior, captive behavior, taxonomy (types of birds), handling of everything from raptors to budgies, history of captive birds, etc. it's taught at my local community college, but is unfortunately only taught there (from all research I've done) as part of their two year associates in zookeeping (also only taught there, at least in the US). They also have reptile, mammal, fish, and amphibian husbandry. All are required for the degree. The bird husbandry class, however, was a treat, since I love birds anyways. i was allowed to bring my cockatiel (didn't have dex) in a few times. (The whole class was careful not to stress her out, and she was grinding her beak within a half hour, then chased my pencil during our test)

Yes. They definitely should. It was extremely helpful. With the training in the class I was able to learn to hand feed Dexter in the first place. I know why teflon is dangerous to birds but not to humans (it actually is dangerous to us as well, but birds absorb the toxin better and faster, so it kills them) and not to put pressure on their keel bone or they may suffocate.

I was actually shocked when I discovered I had gotten so lucky to have found the only zookeeping degree in the U.S. every other keeper has to get a zoology degree. When I do become a zookeeper, I am totally going with birds as my specialty. Either parrots or raptors. Though, I'm a sucker for the mice, so I'd struggle.
 

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It's in my area. We did a lot of hands on stuff, like dissecting infertile eggs and owl pellets, visiting the local zoo, etc. I even got to handle a barn owl and hand feed a hornbill. We visited a raptor sanctuary, went bird spotting, etc.
 

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Yep. I didn't realize how lucky I was. I actually took a "special version" of the class. See, I was in high school. My college has a program called AVP (area vocational program). Instead of math, history, and writing, I took the zookeeping avp class, and got double the high school credit. I literally was able to skip half the school day and go to this class. Year one was mammal husbandry, primatology, big cats, and intro to zookeeping. I was in every week day (instead of twice a week). Two days we went to the zoo, three we had class time. Every day we went to the zoo, we did a project. (We did a "keeper talk" on an animal (discussed their care. I brought in my hand fed baby mouse and explained how I took care of them, which I had to do at the college), studied ape behavior, did a case study) once every six weeks, we actually helped the keepers. Sometimes, we worked in the loft, which was a guest interaction area. We fed the animals, made toys and food, while having little kids help. Other days, we got to help with the lions. We cleaned toys, squeegeed the back areas, I even got to spray whipped cream for one of the really old lionesses. There were 25 or so people in the class.

Year two was the fun one. There was nine of us. Best part was my teacher loooooved birds. She has raptors (she runs a sanctuary, and keeps the unreleasable ones), parrots, dogs, cats, horses (again animal sanctuary). At the time, i only had my cockatiel. Hearing her stories about her birds, I really fell in love. In that class, we learned: veterinary zookeeping (injections and other basic things), exhibit design (we designed and made models of our own exhibits), animal behavior, and of course, bird husbandry. I was able to work in the loft (which I loved, especially the male eclectus Mister, though he didn't like people very much) every other week. We had competitions to see who could get the most guests to help us clean water bowls (I won by a long shot, with over 30 different kids helping me). I helped build an enclosure and more. We went on field trips to the Denver aquarium (school is an hour away) where I mostly looked at birds (they had hawk headed parrots, which was awesome). We saw a condor at the Denver zoo (of course I only remember the birds) which was huuuuge. We took a trip to a raptor rescue (sad story, my hand fed pet mouse mentioned earlier had to be put down that very morning and the lady who worked there joked around about feeding live hamsters to a released raptor).

The end of that class wasn't just the end of my high school as well. That class was the best time of my life. As you can tell, lol. Sorry for the rant. I could talk about that class for years!
 
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