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Knowing what you're talking about, being or having been a breeder.@Matto And what would be the qualifications be to answer questions on that forum?
That is hyperbole and inaccurate. Hundreds have received a lot of help on this forum. Many bird's lives have been saved, many relationships with birds saved, many people have been helped in choosing a companion bird, many have been given excellent advice on diets, much assistance helping to rehome - on and on and on.I also really hate the statement of if they're coming here asking questions they have no business doing it. People say that about EVERYTHING
the environment on the breeding section the way it is now means those interested in breeding just leave over getting attacked
Rather they get attacked
Report any attacks/rude comments and staff will deal with it.without being rude and going into attack mode.
There are different ways of asking for help though. There's joining the forum, demonstrating that you are a parrot beginner and announcing that you're going to breed your birds, despite people explaining about potential difficulties and, if you're in the US, the sheer number of birds languishing in rescue.I also really hate the statement of if they're coming here asking questions they have no business doing it. People say that about EVERYTHING and I'm sorry but people are not born with the skills and knowledge of how to ethically breed, or own a parrot (yes, I see people ask questions about parrot ownership and get the same statement thrown at them). They have to learn somewhere and find mentors. To do this the first step is to ASK FOR HELP. Throwing everyone into the fire because they ask a question and show the WANT TO LEARN seems absolutely a ridiculous way to determine if they should breed or not. Sorry this is just a huge pet peeve of mine. Its like people get offended when someone wants to learn and understand a topic and then that same person gets mad over the BYB who doesn't know any better because their questions went unanswered.
I just know enough to know that I don't have enough experience, time, space or money to responsibly breed parrots. I also suspect that I'd have a really hard time homing chicks to their new families - I don't trust people enough! I've been asked by a current Pionus breeder if I am likely to be interested in the future, and the answer is almost certainly not. It's an immense responsibility to breed ethically. I can see the weight of that responsibility, and I think I'd stick to enjoying parrots as pets.I've owned parrots for over 21 years and I would never dream of trying to breed. I know nothing about genetics, I cannot imagine giving up my life 24/7 to care for babies, I cannot stand the appropriate startup costs and I'm absolutely aware that I just don't know enough to be a responsible breeder.
I think this was well written and something I've tried to say in other threads on different topics. I think every question is an opportunity to impart a little perspective and curiosity about a better philosophy to the asker. It's important, and to @Lincee 's point, possibly the only way to change things at the consumers' level of the issue.Another side to this, the environment on the breeding section the way it is now means those interested in breeding just leave over getting attacked and never learn ALL sides of breeding. Like Hankmacaw's experience, I think breeders should know about that! It should be something that goes into their decision, but the way we have breeding a Taboo subject currently there isn't a way for others to learn more. The good, bad, and ugly! Rather they get attacked and go breed anyways and hope for the best. I would rather if someone is going to breed they understand the whole story.
I also really hate the statement of if they're coming here asking questions they have no business doing it. People say that about EVERYTHING and I'm sorry but people are not born with the skills and knowledge of how to ethically breed, or own a parrot (yes, I see people ask questions about parrot ownership and get the same statement thrown at them). They have to learn somewhere and find mentors. To do this the first step is to ASK FOR HELP. Throwing everyone into the fire because they ask a question and show the WANT TO LEARN seems absolutely a ridiculous way to determine if they should breed or not. Sorry this is just a huge pet peeve of mine. Its like people get offended when someone wants to learn and understand a topic and then that same person gets mad over the BYB who doesn't know any better because their questions went unanswered.
End of the day I really feel this thread has one main point, which I think goes over ALL topics not just breeding or even birds. Its okay to disagree with a topic without being rude and going into attack mode. As I mentioned before, I'm not talking about the people who are getting upset they don't like the answers they receive. I'm 100% referring to those that go into attack mode on a member just because they asked a question they don't agree with. You can feel strongly about a topic and educate on that topic about why its a bad idea without belittling another member and making them feel unwelcome.
Also my opinion. Anyone truly qualified to breed (I use the word qualified very lightly) does not come to a forum looking for "how to do it". They would already exist in that world and would have mentored/tutored under someone else. Coming here means they do not have any connections in that world, are on their own and only doing it for themselves. Rowing up river without a paddle.IMO and realize this is my opinion - every person who comes on this forum wanting information about breeding is suspect and they don't have enough knowledge nor experience to even consider breeding birds.
There is....Breeders Boulevard....Isn't there a special forum for breeders? One that doesn't allow bashing? I know there used to be safe place for folks just wanting to talk breeding.
What have you ran into? My rescue was incredibly gracious.Another aspect to this problem is some of the rescues themselves. Some of the adoption requirements are RIDICULOUS. Yes, I know they want to the birds to have soft landings, forever homes, and I agree with those sentiments wholeheartedly. However, you are not solving the problem with requirements that are too stringent. If your goal is to KEEP the birds, call yourself a sanctuary, not a rescue. I was turned down by a rescue a few years ago.