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Parakeet Developed a Recuring Cyst That Keeps Growing - Deperately Seekin Advice - Thanks

JJordan

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Hello everyone,
First time posting a thread, long time fan and visitor. Over the years I have come here looking for advice and info about raising and caring for parakeets and am very thankful and grateful for everyone who contributes. I have a special needs family member and the parakeets bring great joy. I've had 6 total parakeets over the years, 2 currently, and have never seen anything like this, nor have I been able to find anything about it online. I live about 100 miles from the closest avian veterinarian and the budget is quite very restrictive and delicate due to health reasons and COVID's affect on job market. I could use all the help I can get.

I noticed late night that one of the parakeets, Bulbul, had developed an incredibly large cyst, unknown to me when, towards the very bottom of belly affecting movement inside the cage, and while it was on the perch, the front facing part of the perch was hiding the growth every time I looked or when was sideways elsewhere or bottom of cage behind toys! I was deeply worried and confused and couldn't get any sleep that night and felt really bad and guilty and down and helpless.

Next day I ended up calling what seemed every veterinarian within 50 miles. A majority said they only cats and dogs because birds are considered exotic, and of the handful that do see exotic, don't see birds or that parakeets are too delicate given my description of the situation, and will only do examination with x-ray, $200-$250 which I can later show the specialist. A couple of techs said they have larger sized birds as pets and recommended a bird specialist 90 miles away, which was by appointment only unless I went through the emergency, $500 deposit.

A local doctor I had left message for called me back and was a true humanitarian and truly wanted to help but was only there 3 days a week. I explained the situation and sent him photos as he wanted. He told me it is more than likely a cyst, but not a feather cyst, and not a lipoma as lipomas are hard and more than likely not egg-binding, however I'd need to come in for him to be sure. Sure enough I went there during walkin hours on his next day there. They do curbside because of COVID, took BulBul in and after 45 minutes the doctor came out. He told me the x-rays show it is not egg-binding nor a lipoma. He would do a fine needle aspiration to take whatever he can out but there are risks that BulBul might not survive during or after because parakeets are delicate and given the size of the cyst and the fall in pressure or shock, and, I would still need to see a specialist especially if it comes back. I agreed and signed.

Another 45 minutes later they brought Bulbul out with 90+% of the cyst removed, BulBul was groggy, several hours later was moving all over the cage and singing and pooping all over. The doctor sent me an e-mail next day to followup. And all this for $75!!! A $25 discount than my budget allowed for. Another specialist located 95 miles away in the opposite direction I had called earlier on and left a message for with tech explaining the situation and requesting an estimate told me something like that would be between $450-$650 at his practice plus labs.

Several months later, the cyst grew again to almost where it was before and I went in again. The doctor only charged me $45 this time around and told me it could be cancer or maybe be something else and would need to see a specialist, and also to be realistic. And now I'm back to where I was months ago. BulBul's cyst has grown again almost to where it was at first and I really can't afford a specialist.

Has any budgie owner encountered anything like this or an ideas what it could be? I'm hoping and wishfully thinking that it might be something simple like a gut parasite or bacterial infection and the remedy would be something I can afford and BulBul will be back to normal again. I do notice that sometimes eats a lot and is pushing hard to poop, and sometimes spends much time at the bottom of the cage as if trying to lay an egg. And the pop is lighter in color with the other bird's poop being dark black and white.

Thank you for your time. Could truly use any input or insights.
 

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CGrillo

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I’m sorry this is happening to your bird! I’m happy to see you try your best with something like this. I don’t know what else to say besides that this is a serious problem.

I had a budgie that had a small lipoma on his chest and it caused him to always have a dirty vent with droppings stuck on it. he passed away very suddenly.

I know it is so difficult to see a specialist during this time but it is always best to try because this is certainly something that needs attention. They understand it the most and will know the best thing to do for your bird.

@Ripshod @Lori D Pert
Any insights on this?
 

camelotshadow

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Thats a big cyst & may be as far inside as outside so pushing on organs. I can see why it might be hard to poop.

Cant see if your budgie is male or female but thats not an egg.

I'm glad a vet could get it out by needle 2X? Did they ever try to biopsy it?
Does not matter really as if its cancer there is not much that they can do.
I would assume its sort of a liquid cyst if they were able to remove fluid to drain it.
It comes back so they may not be able to cure it.
I'm stumped but read some parasites can cause cysts. Also organ failure or disease.
Did they do bloodwork to test? They could get an idea if etc liver is having issues.

Was reading these cysts have to be tapped sometimes ongoing if the cause is not found.

I tried to do some research but did not come up with much but possible fluid from a weak liver.

How is he acting & eating?

Hope you can keep him comfortable with quality of life if you cant figure it out.
 

Lori D Pert

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Yes that is a huge cyst. Yes it needs to be drained again. The cause could be anything from cancer to liver disease. To be honest it doesn't really matter the cause, you need to treat the symptom. Having it drained again will bring him relief. He deserves to be out of pain. Poor guy. Please keep us posted.
 

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I honestly don't have much to add other than you have a choice to make. You can choose to invest in this little one and travel a little further to seek the cause and a possible cure. You can choose to continue with regular reductions and possibly some pain relief. The final, hardest choice is hard for me to even say but I think we all know what that is.
We can't make the choice for you, obviously. All I can ask is that while you consult with the family please keep the budgie first in your mind.
 

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Oh wow, I'm so very sorry he's got this cyst! Ripshod said a mouthful, for sure. Good luck @JJordan - I hope all these posts help you to deal with this, it's difficult for sure. So sad that this cyst is so large and my gosh, I can't imagine how you're little one is dealing with this.
 
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