Hi there!
I was just wondering if there were any definitive methods of being able to tell the presence of Cinnamon if the gene cannot be seen.
We have a breeding pair of birds, Pika (m) and Bubble (f). Pika is a Whiteface Pearl Pied, split to Cinnamon and Lutino. Bubble is a Pearl Pied split to Whiteface. They had their first clutches in 2024, one clutch with one chick and the other with 3.
The first chick was a female Cinnamon Pearl Pied split to Whiteface (Squacco). Then a male Pearl Pied, unknown splitting (Eagle). Then a female Whiteface Lutino Pearl Pied, no splits (Lizzie). And a male Pearl Pied, unknown splits (Luca).
Here is a list of all possible mutations of a male whiteface pearl pied (split cinnamon and lutino) crossed with a female pearl pied (split to whiteface).
There are so many male Pearl Pieds and Whiteface Pearl Pieds with different splits, which is why I don't know Eagle and Sprot's splits.
So the chick I put in bold (Lizzie) is either a Cinnamon Whiteface Lutino Pearl Pied or a Whiteface Lutino Pearl Pied. And the thing I'm wondering is, is she cinnamon or not. Of course I cannot see any plumage differences, as whiteface removes all yellow/red pigmentation and lutino removes grey. And Lutino causes the eye (iris AND pupil) to appear red. I know Cinnamon can sometimes be told by a yellow flash in the pupil (I can see this in Squacco) but as Lizzie already has red eyes, I have no idea what she could be.
So I was wondering if any of you knew any reliable (or even unreliable ) methods of telling, as I don't really trust anything Google suggests.
And also I don't think going by the percentage probability of the mutations means anything. Cinnamon Pearl Pied has 0.375% chance of turning up and so far we've had one, and Pika and Bubble are rearing another one.
Thanks
I was just wondering if there were any definitive methods of being able to tell the presence of Cinnamon if the gene cannot be seen.
We have a breeding pair of birds, Pika (m) and Bubble (f). Pika is a Whiteface Pearl Pied, split to Cinnamon and Lutino. Bubble is a Pearl Pied split to Whiteface. They had their first clutches in 2024, one clutch with one chick and the other with 3.
The first chick was a female Cinnamon Pearl Pied split to Whiteface (Squacco). Then a male Pearl Pied, unknown splitting (Eagle). Then a female Whiteface Lutino Pearl Pied, no splits (Lizzie). And a male Pearl Pied, unknown splits (Luca).
Here is a list of all possible mutations of a male whiteface pearl pied (split cinnamon and lutino) crossed with a female pearl pied (split to whiteface).

There are so many male Pearl Pieds and Whiteface Pearl Pieds with different splits, which is why I don't know Eagle and Sprot's splits.
So the chick I put in bold (Lizzie) is either a Cinnamon Whiteface Lutino Pearl Pied or a Whiteface Lutino Pearl Pied. And the thing I'm wondering is, is she cinnamon or not. Of course I cannot see any plumage differences, as whiteface removes all yellow/red pigmentation and lutino removes grey. And Lutino causes the eye (iris AND pupil) to appear red. I know Cinnamon can sometimes be told by a yellow flash in the pupil (I can see this in Squacco) but as Lizzie already has red eyes, I have no idea what she could be.
So I was wondering if any of you knew any reliable (or even unreliable ) methods of telling, as I don't really trust anything Google suggests.
And also I don't think going by the percentage probability of the mutations means anything. Cinnamon Pearl Pied has 0.375% chance of turning up and so far we've had one, and Pika and Bubble are rearing another one.
Thanks