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We had a customer bring two "Quakers" into the store last week. They were sold as "DYH Amazons," which they knew they weren't, but the customers purchased them because they were unique. Initially, we thought they might have been green quakers, and someone had bleached the head. I can't tell you how angry it makes me when someone does that to a small bird and tries to pass it off as a mini version of a larger parrot. Luckily, they had not been bleached. They are Quakers, but they look a little different, too. Does anyone have experience with Cliff Parakeets? They look just different enough that I'm wondering if they might be Cliff parakeets and not true Quakers, or maybe hybrids. There are two in the picture, but the other is hiding in the back. Aside from a little difference in the yellow on the yead, they are almost identical. The head seems a little smaller than that of other Quakers, though these birds were said to be only a few months old, so it may just be their juvenile size. I've seen Quakers with all sorts of color variations, but not like this. This could just be a young green Quaker with a yellow head, but someone suggested it might be a Cliff Parakeet, and I was wondering if anyone else has had any experience with them.


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That definitely is a different kind of Quaker. They don't have the typical characteristics of the cliff parakeet which doesn't have a yellow head. The cliff parakeet has a paler gray head, almost white, a brighter green back than the QP, and a yellow belly. Maybe a unique variation of Quaker with characteristics of the standard green QP but with the yellow head. Maybe a hybrid of green and lutino Quakers?
 

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We had a customer bring two "Quakers" into the store last week. They were sold as "DYH Amazons," which they knew they weren't, but the customers purchased them because they were unique. Initially, we thought they might have been green quakers, and someone had bleached the head. I can't tell you how angry it makes me when someone does that to a small bird and tries to pass it off as a mini version of a larger parrot. Luckily, they had not been bleached. They are Quakers, but they look a little different, too. Does anyone have experience with Cliff Parakeets? They look just different enough that I'm wondering if they might be Cliff parakeets and not true Quakers, or maybe hybrids. There are two in the picture, but the other is hiding in the back. Aside from a little difference in the yellow on the yead, they are almost identical. The head seems a little smaller than that of other Quakers, though these birds were said to be only a few months old, so it may just be their juvenile size. I've seen Quakers with all sorts of color variations, but not like this. This could just be a young green Quaker with a yellow head, but someone suggested it might be a Cliff Parakeet, and I was wondering if anyone else has had any experience with them.


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The DNA came back as both males. They are some kind of Quaker, either an uncommon color variety or a hybrid monk/cliff parakeet. Unfortunately, the customers are still under the impression that they are some kind of small amazon even after we showed them pictures of Quakers for comparison, and the two we have in the store. The yellow head is what has them thinking otherwise. They have asked whether there is a genetic test to confirm the species, but as a retailer, we do not have access to such tests. It is what it is. Birds shouldn't be sold at swap meets, and people who have never owned birds shouldn't buy them there. There is a large Quaker breeder here in the Phoenix Valley, and I'll send her the pictures when I get a chance. She has produced some stunning colors over the last few years, and she might have some insight as to the parentage.
 

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Unfortunately, these are definitely dyed Quaker parrots - either with bleach, hydrogen peroxide, or something similar. I have seen this many times, it's a tactic usually used by poachers to make their birds seem more special or rare. All of the yellow feathers will be replaced with green by the next molt.
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That definitely is a different kind of Quaker. They don't have the typical characteristics of the cliff parakeet which doesn't have a yellow head. The cliff parakeet has a paler gray head, almost white, a brighter green back than the QP, and a yellow belly. Maybe a unique variation of Quaker with characteristics of the standard green QP but with the yellow head. Maybe a hybrid of green and lutino Quakers?
I also want to clear up the possibility of a green x lutino hybrid. With the lutino gene, as well as most color mutations, you either have it or you don't. There's no "partial" form from crossing the two.
 

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How can they be dyed and killed in the process? If it was up to me, anyone doing that should be locked up forever and made to live with those fumes!! Can you imagine what their little lungs went through!

Those poor babies! :unsure1:
 

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It is very common in certain markets, and a lot of birds do end up dying. The seller usually markets the birds as rare color mutations or different, more valuable species like yellow-headed Amazons. It preys on FOMO and a lack of education on parrot species/mutations, which is why it's so effective in bird markets. These three pictures are all examples of birds that have been dyed in some way.
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It is very common in certain markets, and a lot of birds do end up dying. The seller usually markets the birds as rare color mutations or different, more valuable species like yellow-headed Amazons. It preys on FOMO and a lack of education on parrot species/mutations, which is why it's so effective in bird markets. These three pictures are all examples of birds that have been dyed in some way.
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This makes sense. You can see the splotches of green on the "DYH amazon's" head, probably just his own feathers growing back.
 

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It will age me but I remember when my parents bought us Easter chicks that were dyed pastel colors.
 

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As long as the chicks were dyed with food dye, they were probably fine. Food dye doesn't seem to degrade the feather like bleach or hydrogen peroxide, and doesn't give off dangerous fumes that could hurt their respiratory systems. Many breeders use small amounts of food dye to differentiate young birds.
 

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They are both fine. DNA tests showed they were both boys. I showed the picture to someone who breeds quakers, and they think it's just an odd instance where the lutino gene isn't fully expressed.
 

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Lutino is either there or it isn't, there's no in between. Glad the birds are still alright.
 

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By no means an expert on any of this, but, if there wasn't two of them I'd almost wonder if it's an odd expression of chimerism? To my knowledge that would allow the lutino gene to only half express...
But again, I've only really read about one halfsider Quaker in the past so I think the chance of getting two would be too low.
 

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Why would it be unlikely if they are from same clutch ? I suppose will see if they molt feathers out or stay that colour
 
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