Im not a breeder i just have a question.

[Sadiesbby]

My friend has been handfeeding quakers for 10 plus years and the handfeeding formula she used is now unavailable. My question is...if her babies went from one formula straight to another without a slow interdiction.. Is that harmful in any way to the babies? (Not sure that's what shes planning but I'm curious and she's asleep so here I am lol)

 

[Shezbug]

@Zara

 

[Zara]

Sorry, I do not know the answer.

@Monica @Mockinbirdiva @finchly @Laurie @Matto

 

[Sadiesbby]

I should say the main reason I am asking is because I'm thinking about homing one of these babies

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

Is there absolutely none of the other formula available? What are the brands..by name specifically.

 

[Sadiesbby]

The one she says she uses is unavailable thats all I know and shes switching to kaytee.

 

[Sadiesbby]

Looking back on texts she was using tropican? Originaly to shes switching to kaytee

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

The one she says she uses is unavailable thats all I know and shes switching to kaytee.

Is there any left in the bag she was using for feeding now?

 

[Sadiesbby]

Sha ordered the new formula today and she said it will be there in time for the night time feedings. Thats why I believe shes making a straight switch. Is that harmful to the babies?

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

Tropican formula ingredients:

• Hagen Tropican Hand Feeding Formula

Ground corn, soybean meal, corn gluten meal, ground wheat, ground brown rice, ground dehulled sunflower seeds, ground dehulled peanuts, sugar, canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, dried yeast, ground flaxseed, lecithin, dried beet pulp, dried kelp, oat groats, L-lysine, choline chloride, DL-methionine, biotin, vitamin E supplement, niacin, calcium L-ascorbyl-2-monophosphate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, d-calcium pantothenate, vitamin B12 supplement, rosemary extract, beta-carotene, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, inositol, folic acid, vitamin A supplement, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, vitamin D3 supplement.

Crude protein 22% (min)
Crude fat 10% (min)
Crude fibre 3.5% (max)
Moisture 9% (max)
Calcium 1% (min)
Phosphorus 0.8% (min)
Vitamin A 5,500 IU/kg (min)
Vitamin D3 550 IU/kg (min)
Vitamin E 220 IU/lkg (min)
Beta-Carotene 0.42 mg/kg (min)
Omega-3 Fatty Acids 0.03% (min)
Omega-6 Fatty Acids 0.25% (min).


Kaytee Exact

Ingredients
Ground Wheat, Ground Corn, Corn Gluten Meal, Soybean Meal, Soy Oil, Wheat Middlings, Ground Peanuts, Ground Hulled Sunflower, Coconut Oil, Dried Whole Egg, Dried Beet Pulp, Ground Flaxseed, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, L-Lysine, Wheat Germ Meal, Brewer's Dried Yeast, Vitamin A Supplement, Salt Algae Meal (Source of DHA), Fructooligosaccharide, Yeast Extract, Potassium Sulfate, Choline Chloride, Dl-Methionine, L-Arginine, Propionic Acid, (a Preservative), Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Mixed Tocopherols (a Preservative), L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Source of Vitamin C), Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Niacin, Rosemary Extract, Citric Acid, Ethoxyquin (a Preservative) Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Cholecalciferol (Source of Vitamin D3), Folic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Calcium Iodate, Biotin, Cobalt Carbonate, Sodium Selenite, Dried A. Oryzaefermentation Extract, Driedbacillus Licheniformisfermentation Product, and Driedbacillus Subtilisfermentation Product.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein	22.0% min​
Crude Fat	9.0% min​
Crude Fiber	5.0% max​
Moisture	10.0% max​
Omega-3 Fatty Acids	0.50% min​
Total Bacillus Species	250,000 CFU/g min​

 

[Sadiesbby]

So...i feel like a 5 year old looking at geometry lol is that simular enough to not cause harm?

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

Sha ordered the new formula today and she said it will be there in time for the night time feedings. Thats why I believe shes making a straight switch. Is that harmful to the babies?

I've been trying to find information on it. Ideally, you would want to mix some of the formula she is using now with some of the new to transition them over. I don't think it will harm them.... maybe give them loose stool. I'll tag another member but she may not respond at the moment. When it boils down to it... if you are completely out of the other formula it looks like you have no choice if you can't find any of it locally around you.

@melissasparrots

 

[Sadiesbby]

Thank you. I think that's the issue its unavailable around us.

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

Thank you. I think that's the issue its unavailable around us.

You're welcome. I hope the other arrives in time. Meanwhile... you might want to call around to any of the pet stores to see if they have any on hand they are using for feeding their babies ( providing they have babies they are currently feeding) Overall, I don't think it will harm them. If for any reason they do have any diarrhea... address it quickly with a vet. The babies might be put off a bit by a slight flavor change too.

 

[Sadiesbby]

Thank you for all of your help!

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

I should say the main reason I am asking is because I'm thinking about homing one of these babies

I re-read this post. So, let me ask you... are you intending to hand feed a baby yourself?

 

[Sadiesbby]

I will not be hand feeding myself. I am interested in one day doing so but not now. Ive only hand fed a few times before and always Grey's so I just wouldn't feel comfortable feeding such a small baby in comparison.

 

[Mockinbirdiva]

I will not be hand feeding myself. I am interested in one day doing so but not now. Ive only hand fed a few times before and always Grey's so I just wouldn't feel comfortable feeding such a small baby in comparison.

I was gonna say... let the breeder wean the baby. Especially if she is doing a sudden change of formula brands and something did happen... it wouldn't be on your hands to deal with. I gotta go... can chat later in the day!

 

[Sadiesbby]

Thank you! Yeah...no handfeeding small babys for me not yet especially with this change! I have to sleep its 2am where I am lol

 

[mythic55]

I have used both.

The have different digestion rates is my main concern. Ideally formula should be mixed gradually to transition. She will notice the consistency is different- Kaytee is a bit smoother but interestingly enough has a slower digestion rate. The feces will change- the flavors are extremely different. All in, I prefer Tropican to Kaytee (and Intune to either of them).