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Golden mantled Rosellas

Nissili

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I had a crimson rosella for 10 years. I bought him as a youngster and even though he was not a bird that liked to be handled. Monica is correct in that they are more of an aviary bird than a companion bird. That said, I am sure there is the exception to the rule given early training. He was a biter but I did still pick him up to take him out of his cage but later on when he bit more I would just open his door to allow him freedom. Even though his bowls of food were well supplied he still liked to go to the floor of his cage to forage …. which is a natural behavior for the species. I called him a "fishing bird", always fishing for something better under the grate of his cage. They are prone to bacterial infections so it's vital you change the paper daily in the event your rosella likes to bottom forage the cage. And they also dunk their food in their water so changing the water bowl a couple times a day will prevent health issues. Their bites will definitely leave a mark if not a hole in your skin… and yes it hurts! They are a stunning species, are fairly quiet pets, require plenty of cage space and a varied diet. Mine could say a few words and was fond of whistling the "Mayberry theme". Made me smile every time he did. I miss him a great deal still after 14 years of his passing. I would love to have another but with 8 birds I would not bring another in and focus on what I have.
To me, a companion bird doesn't exactly mean that they'll be handled (beyond moving in/out of the cage if need be and vet visits) but rather that they at least recognize you as someone that loves them, and loves you back regardless of how they show it, even if their way of showing it is simply allowing you to sit by the cage without a hugs fuss.
Duly noted about the foraging on the bottom though, I'll have to be sure to get a cage with a grate so that I can change the bottom without reaching in and stressing the bird daily (I do know I'd still have to clean the grate of course, but I'd probably move the bird to a travel cage or just let them out when doing the full clean.) I use a water bottle for my bird for cleanliness - my birds used to just sit over the water and get it all mucky and even right after I changed it (and in some cases, managed to pull the dish off the side and spill water everywhere) so that should help with keeping their water clean?

My budgie leaves me plenty of marks and little holes, and I would expect a larger bird (well, larger than her) to do more damage at least. It would take a little while to get used to the bites I'm sure, and get used to helping prevent them in the first place. If they prefer food wet, I could do that - providing some wet fresh/cooked foods wouldn't be a problem at all to me. Like I've said before though - A happy bird is a happy me. As long as they're happy (and healthy), everything is alright, even if they bite or don't like being handled.
 

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Although the benefits of water bottles can be great, they can also have their downsides. I don't use water bottles because they still need to be cleaned daily, bacteria and fungi can easily build up in the spout if not kept clean, doesn't give a bird the chance to bathe if they want to, and birds that like to dunk their food (Jayde is one!) may instead try sticking said food up the spout of their water bottle!

If a water bottle works for you and you keep it cleaned daily, that's great! :)



Check this thread..... specifically the post I linked to.

Converting Parrots to a Healthier Diet - Tips | Avian Avenue Parrot Forum


There is also this post.... although forgive me, many of the links are dead! Probably need to get a mod to update them for me. :)

Bird Safe Fresh Foods & Toxic Food Lists & More | Avian Avenue Parrot Forum


Actually, this might be a little more helpful....

Actually, the corn kernels will not sprout (they are broken up anyway) and wild bird seed is high in fat so not recommended for pet birds.... it might be ok sprouted though?

I don't recommend just any kind of bird food from a pet store as most foods sold are fortified, and the extra stuff in the seeds can cause the sprouts to go bad.


You can often times go to a bulk food store or even a health food store and buy seeds for sprouting. Sometimes you might even be lucky to find some clean seeds (unfortified) from a farm store that could work for sprouting, although there may be some concern about contamination if you are buying from a bulk bin. (it will depend on how you get the food out.... scooped out? or pull a lever to release into a bag?)



If this helps.... you can buy sprouts from other sources!


If you were to buy your own seeds to create your own mix...
Sprouts by Merlie - Google Docs
Sprouting For Healthier Birds
Converting Parrots to a Healthier Diet - Tips | Avian Avenue Parrot Forum



Great place to buy some seeds
Nuts.com | NutsOnline | Premium Bulk & Wholesale Nuts, Dried Fruits & Gift Baskets

Short and simple, you can either purchase a sprout mix designed specifically for birds, or you can sprout your own seeds that you buy! I do not recommend sprouting regular bird seed though because it's often fortified and has dyes in it, and possibly even pellets, dried fruits and vegetables. All this stuff can make the seeds spoil and then they are not healthy to feed.... Depending on how you sprout as well as the time of year/where you live, seeds can be fed anywhere from 1-5 days after you start the sprouting process! Some seeds can be fed in as little as 8 hours after soaking! Other seeds are best fed when little tails start to grow out.


There are many different methods to sprout seeds, and you can buy kits or make them! To give you one idea.....

Sprouting for Parrots | Flickr - Photo Sharing!



If you get the right kind of cage, the bird can be left inside the cage and you can pull the grate out. I'm currently using the flight cage (the one that had multiple birds in it!) for my bourke parakeet and I left the grate out. When I came home one day and discovered her *OUT* of the cage, I plopped her back in and put the grate in! I hate cleaning grates, so prefer to avoid using them if I can! Another time, same cage, different birds.... Noel, my cherry headed conure (RIP) was living in that cage back when I had those 5 budgies (one hen not pictured). The male (blue bird in the back) would often times go through the gap between the tray of the cage and the bottom of the top part of the cage. Imagine my surprise to see a little blue budgie sharing a cage with a conure 5 times bigger than him and the two completely ignoring each other? Oh, and the conure *NOT* known for being friendly with any bird beyond Casey, the tiel! (cockatiel that was pictured with the budgies). I thought for sure that Noel would kill the budgie! But she didn't! And I assume that he liked going into Noel's cage to escape the terrorist girls! :hehe: So of course, for my piece of mind, in went the grate!


I think I know which table top flight cages you are speaking of, as I have a couple myself, and these grates do not come out! They are a part of the cage... so if I remember to, I'll be sure to snag a picture of how the grate works with a larger flight cage! And trust me, the table top flight cages are *NOT* big enough for a rosella! Heck, I don't even like putting small birds in one for a long period of time!




I don't know where you are located, but you could always try looking into local bird clubs and groups in your area and see if anyone makes a mash/chop diet for their flock and seeing if that person would be willing to share a little for your budgie? With a small flock or single bird, making a chop/mash type diet isn't exactly ideal because of how much food is required. It might just be easier to save healthy foods from your own meals and sharing that with your girl. :)


And seeds and pellets isn't necessarily true! Please take a look at the thread I provided, and if I can, I'll try to reply some more later!
 

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Revisiting seeds and pellets topic....

I've heard that some birds will flat out refuse to eat pellets if seeds are provided with them and will sooner starve themselves than eat the pellets if they think seed is coming - I don't want my bird to starve herself (and she's very stubborn at times) but I also heard that if a budgie wasn't weaned onto pellets, they'll never take the 'proper' kind and the best you can get is the colorful ones. I'm not sure how valid this may be, or if the person who told me this has just only experienced this and not a budgie that will transition to pellets and seeds and eat both.

I actually converted a male budgie over to eating pellets by providing pellets AND seeds at the same time! More specifically, I bought a small container of Lafeber's Finch Pellets and placed this in a small, shallow dish. (I think the 'dish' was actually the lid to a container?) I then lightly sprinkled the pellets with millet of the "same" color. (that red/brown millet) Once he was done eating the millet, he kind of continued eating the pellets. He had a mate, so when I put the two together in a cage again, his mate watched him eating pellets and she started eating them, too! Once they were eating pellets, it was then easy to switch them to a different pellet.

Faye, a normal hen in my flock has been eating pellets the day she joined the tiel flock! You would have thought she has always eaten them! I don't know how old she is, but I suspect she's in her teens or twenties. What little I know, her first(?) home gave her away at a yard sale, her second home had her for who knows how many years before giving her to another home, and they had her for a few years before she came to me. Faye came to me in December of 2007 so nearly 8 years, and the previous people probably had her for 5+ years so I know she's an older bird. Her previous home fed her cheap Wally World seed, then wild bird food. I'm pretty sure the home before her also fed cheap Wally World seed or similar... and it wouldn't surprise me if her first home also fed her just seeds! So if you can imagine, she's probably been on a seed only diet for who knows how many years before she came to me! At the time, I was providing seeds and pellets to my flock, in separate dishes, so they could choose what they wanted to eat, and fresh foods in a third dish. (most of my birds were living cage-free then, so I had a feeding station set up for them)

After giving Faye some time to settle into my home in her own cage while providing a basic seed diet (because she's had a crappy diet for years, I didn't want to cause stress by completely revamping her diet after she came to me), I let her out to join the flock, and the very first dish she went to? It was pellets! And she ate them as if she's always eaten them! (and acted like she was starving! she chowed down on those pellets!) No need to convert. I was shocked! And waited for her to stop eating pellets, but she kept going!


Here's a video shortly after I got her. I had hand fed 5 adult, flighted budgies by hand (none tame, but was able to get all 5 budgies to fly to my hand for food without fear), then started feeding a female cockatiel by hand (she watched me feed the budgies and wanted the same.... took me 2 weeks to figure out what she wanted!), and Faye was watching the other cockatiel eating from my hand, so she wanted to do the same, too! (if you look at the video, you can see there is food behind her, so she doesn't *have* to eat from my hand, but she is choosing to!)





And in the next video, I'm feeding her pellets by hand! (video taken several years after the first one)






So no, birds will not starve themselves *once* you convert them to eating a healthier diet! They'll only starve themselves if the food you provide them is not recognized as food! Imagine someone putting crickets, snails and tarantulas in front of you to eat? These things are edible, but would you be willing to eat them right off the bat, or would you rather starve yourself and wait for something that you *do* recognize as food? Same idea with birds! If they aren't accustomed to something being food, they're more likely to avoid it! But if you mix something new with something old, then it might not be so bad! (I did come across a health food bar made with cricket meal..... I don't know if I could bring myself to eat it.... but I'd probably more likely eat that than I would some freshly cooked crickets!)


The majority of my birds have come to me eating seeds as their main diet, and all have eaten pellets! Including Sylphie, a wild caught african ringneck! I don't know how old she was when captured, but I can tell you for a fact that pellets don't grow on trees in the wild! ;) Charlie came to me eating Zupreem Fruitblend, and he's been switched to Zupreem Natural, Roudybush, Harrison's and now Pretty Bird. It wouldn't surprise me if he ate a seed based diet for the first 11 years of his life! Jayde came to me eating Lafeber's Nutriberries (which have about 26% pellets in them) and I was told she doesn't eat pellets. She was 3 years old when she came to me and has been eating pellets since day one of being here! (she's 5 now! :) )

Pistachio was at least 7 years old when he came to me (probably older, he's been with me for 10 years, so wouldn't be surprised if he's in his twenties!) eating a seed diet. I have no clue on how old Tomi Girl is (suspected teens or twenties, too!), but she was probably fed a seed diet in her first home, was fed seeds (*IF* she was fed at all....) in the dungeon she lived in next prior to coming to me. The bourke parakeet was at least 5-7 years old and was on a seed diet but now she's on a pellet diet (no seeds allowed except sprouts - due to her failing health.... she's 18-20 now....).



I could keep going on and on! Short and simple, the majority of my birds are rehomes of various ages (mostly older birds) that have come to me on very poor diets (the conures got lucky being in great foster homes!), and with the exception of Charlie who can be picky about his fresh foods, all of them know how to eat a varied diet! Seeds, pellets, fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, sprouts..... Sprouts are actually a favorite here, and it's the best way to get them all to shut up in the mornings! :rofl:



The main trick is is out-smarting the bird long enough to actually convert them. ;) One of the best ways, IMO, to get birds eating pellets is to grind the pellets into a dust (you need dye-free pellets for this!), then mixing about 50/50 with seeds, then adding enough water to make a thick paste. You can then roll these up or make little cakes and feed "as is", or drying them out in the oven for a little bit and then feeding. Heck, if you want, mix in some dried pellets, too! As the bird eats through the pellet paste looking for seeds, they are inevitably tasting the pellets, too! And as they get accustomed to the taste and flavor of these "treats", they'll learn to enjoy eating pellets, too!

If you check out the conversion thread that I linked to, I show, with images, exactly what I did, too! So even if you can get your bird to eat colored pellets doesn't mean that you can't convert them to a dye-free pellet! You just got to be creative! :)
 

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I think I know which table top flight cages you are speaking of, as I have a couple myself, and these grates do not come out! They are a part of the cage... so if I remember to, I'll be sure to snag a picture of how the grate works with a larger flight cage! And trust me, the table top flight cages are *NOT* big enough for a rosella! Heck, I don't even like putting small birds in one for a long period of time!
the one I'm wanting to buy right now is bigger than the cage I have normally for my budgie :( when buying her, I didn't have money for something very big, and thought what I had was more than enough. It's about 25 inches from left to right, 13 front to back and 19 top to bottom. Hence why now that I know she needs more space than that, I'm going for a bigger cage as soon as I can afford it (and still have backup money for her food - still no job yet). I wouldn't want to take the grate out, I meant slide the part underneath out? the tray at least - the kind I have right now just has a tray and no grate, although I take the whole top of the cage off so when I line the bottom with paper towels it covers the whole base inside so it's easier to clean.

All of that information you've provided for me is sincerely very helpful! I'll have to try the pellet-seed treats to get her used to the idea, that's very clever! Worst case scenario, if I hold the food with my lips (outer lips of course) and wait for her, she'll eventually come over and at least nibble it, and I can be pretty patient if need be.

Looks like I've got a lot to do to work on converting my budgie's diet and environment to be healthier and happier for her. On another plus side, it'll give me a little more experience with converting a bird to a vastly new setting, since I don't expect to be able to find a pellet-weaned rosella easily (the only ones I've found in my prior searches when trying to get an estimate pricing were seed fed) being able to try to bring them into a new diet will be crucial. Lucky for me, Alder already is very bonded to me so new foods are gonna be a little easier than a bird that doesn't trust me yet.

Faye is super cute by the way! My bird won't eat out of my hand like that - she'll take treats from my fingertips but otherwise will try to pull food off my hand before eating it if she approaches at all - so I've never tried to push her to do so since she eats her foods that she has just fine. You certainly have a way with birds! You're very knowledgeable and creative and I'm sincerely thankful that you've been helping to answer my questions and give advice.
 

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I don't recommend feeding birds by lip/mouth, even if dry.... just too much of a chance of getting your bird sick due to the bacteria in your mouth....

And I meant taking the grate out for cleaning! Trust me, the grate gets gross if you need to use it! LOL


And thanks! My bourke hen and the african ringneck Sylphie wont eat from my hands, but my other birds will. Monkey see, monkey do, for most of em!



This is how I started feeding my birds by hand.... 5 adult budgies, I think ages were like 2-9 years old? All flighted. I did this for two weeks straight, first thing in the morning. After they ate all the food, I'd refresh the food dishes and repeat the next day.





After doing that for a while, I had my hand right outside the cage door so they had to eat least stand on the opening itself to eat. Repeat for 2 weeks. Then I stood about 4' away from the cage and did the same thing! Easiest way to get them back into the cage? More food! :D





That was my goal. Something simple. To see if I could get some amount of trust from 5 adult budgies that were all flighted. Imagine if I *really* tried to do more, what I could have done with 5 budgies? Which lead to Sunshine.... she was watching me and paying attention. Then for two weeks she would follow me around the room and chirp at me. She was hand raised and previously tamed, but hadn't been worked with in who knows how long (her owner, a boy at the time, kind of grew up n discovered sports and girls... so pets took the back seat....). A couple of times, Sunshine even landed on me, a behavior that was abnormal for her! First time, I thought Sunshine was Casey! She had landed behind my head where I couldn't see her, and only Casey would land on me at the time. I thought it was odd though that "Casey" had landed there, and weight seemed off (Sunshine was/is[?] heavier than Casey), but when she took flight a moment later, I turned my head and realized it wasn't Casey, but Sunshine! And one day it finally clicked and I offered Sunshine food by hand! She was *so* happy!




Shortly before finding Sunshine a new home, Faye came to me and saw me interaction with Sunshine, and of course wanted the same. She wasn't handled in her previous two homes as far as I know, don't know about her first home, and I don't know if she was parent raised or hand raised. (I suspect hand raised, by her behavior, but I honestly don't know!) So I fed her by hand. This then gave me the idea to start feeding the other tiels by hand... including Pistachio, a male that was so terrified of humans that if it looked like I would get remotely close to him, he'd take off flying! He wasn't taking any chance of being captured by me, even if I wasn't even paying attention to him! I'd say this next video speaks for itself. :) (PS, he's the slightly bald headed tiel)


 
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