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Have any of you guys owned one of these darlings before? I can't always find very good information on their behavior, diets, etc online. My dream is to own one someday! I don't have the money nor space right now, but I'd like to learn as much as I can about their behavior and needs until then! Feel free to share stories about them, if you have them!
 

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I haven't ever owned one but they are very common here in Australia! I always see them in the wild and I have met a few in pet stores and know a few people with them as pets. They are really sweet and quiet little things, usually the wild ones are very shy and they're usually hiding away in the trees - not like the crazy cockatoos and lorikeets. :) As pets, they are somewhat the same in my experiences. Shy, quiet, sweet, gentle - I find them to be a lot like cockatiels and budgies. They aren't that sort of "crazy playful and cuddly" you get with birds like conures or lorikeets or cockatoos etc, but they still love attention, company and scritches. They usually seem to like the same sort of toys cockatiels and budgies do (bells, soft toys, mirrors etc) and the are't very destructive. They aren't terribly loud either. I think they're really cute little birds. :)
 

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Thank you for contributing! If they're anything like budgies, I think I'll get along quite well with one. Of course, all birds are gonna be a little different, so I wouldn't outright expect the bird to be super shy or super social. I'm even more excited now to welcome one into my home someday!
 

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From my understanding, rosellas do not make very good pets. That's not to say that they can't be pets, however they are typically more of a hands of species that are considered best in aviaries. They do have a gorgeous voice though! And there's actually one for sale in my area. Said to be aggressive towards other species of birds, too.
 

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From my understanding, rosellas do not make very good pets. That's not to say that they can't be pets, however they are typically more of a hands of species that are considered best in aviaries. They do have a gorgeous voice though! And there's actually one for sale in my area. Said to be aggressive towards other species of birds, too.
I've heard mixed opinions on whether or not they're good pets. I personally believe that any bird can learn to live happily and coexist with a human, but it takes a lot of trust building and love and respecting their boundaries. I'd be willing to have a hands off bird, no problem to me. I'm not getting one for quite a while, I don't want to introduce a new bird while my budgie is around - she can get aggressive with any other birds and I wouldn't want a problem to arise. They'll be a solo bird with me and my future roommates (one of which would likely stay back from the bird, the other loves birds and will have had several years of experience with his cockatiel) but I'll be taking some time to find one that at least is a little familiar with humans, so that it won't terrify them to be introduced to multiple.
 

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The "ideal pet" definitely varies per person! :) Some people are quite happy with hands off birds to look at, while others prefer more hands on! I have a mixed flock, from completely hands off to very hands on type of birds! :) And yes, budgies can be pretty aggressive towards other birds! Females are complete brats and males are pesky!
 

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I can understand that - my male budgie was a total sweetheart and hardly ever got onto trouble, and the girl is just generally aggressive to anyone that isn't me, and even I get my fair share of bites just for existing or not providing the proper kisses when she wants. For me, an ideal pet is just one that knows I love them and loves me back, regardless of how they show it. I just want a happy bird in the end - a happy bird is a happy me c: So I want to learn as much as I can about living with this species of bird so that when the time comes that I have the funds and the space, I'll have the knowledge and capability.
 

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Also for anyone who's owned one and at some point a budgie - what's the bite like in comparison? I know better than to expect to never get bit, no matter how well I read body language or work around their needs. Having a rough idea of what to expect is always nice in terms of bites, in my opinion ;)
 

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And, I'm aware that ideally they'd have a large amount of space, but in a home setting, what kind of cage would you recommend? My budgie currently lives in a prevue cage, and the only time a bar has had issues is when I pushed it too hard from the inside with a wooden dowel and it popped off the weld. But I'm aware that a Rosella is bigger - what kind of materials would you suggest? As for size, I know I'm going for the biggest that I can afford and fit in whatever living space I happen to reside in once I have stable funds.
 

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Rosellas are "medium" sized small parrots... larger than cockatiels, so honestly, I wouldn't go any smaller than a 32 x 23 flight cage. Perches and toys made for cockatiel to conure sized birds, food probably parakeet to conure sized?

Seeds, pellets, vegetables, fruits, grains, legumes, sprouted seeds, the occasional cooked eggs...
 

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From old research if I recall they're about a foot long from beak to tail, so I have a relative idea on size of the bird itself. When I move out and have the space, ideally I'll be setting up either my bedroom or a separate bird room to have a large cage on a table and allow the bird as much space as I can safely allow and afford.

I know I'd have to offer things to the bird and learn what they like and find a way to get enough good stuff into their diet that they'll actually eat - I have a fairly picky budgie but I've found a few ways to help sneak stuff into their diet by mixing it with things they do like. I'm thinking they might do well with 1/3-1/2 diet of the seeds/pellets and the rest be fresh foods/cooked foods? I'm not sure what the proper balance would be, but I'd be more than happy to cook something for my bird daily.
I already know that I'd be removing uneaten food after a certain period of time, so it doesn't go bad, and to not prepare/put in too much so it won't be wasteful.

I know my budgie likes stringy or shiny/noisemaking toys (and occasionally chewables like these woven palm leaf things I get for her) - would a rosella like something like those, or do they go for more interactive toys? I've never had a bird breed beside budgies, nor have I lived with another breed, so I haven't gotten much experience in what kinds of toys they'll actually play with. I know I'd need things to chew up and tear for entertainment, but for just playing I'm unsure (my budgie won't tear up her stringy rope toy with the bell on the bottom, she just wants to swing it around and ring the bell) what they might like. Swings? Jingly balls? Small infant safe plush toys? Would I have to just offer different things to the bird and find out their preference, or is there something they generally prefer?
 

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Found some pictures that might help give you an idea of size....

Rosellas and Budgerigars | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Face-off for Seed | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Birds | Flickr - Photo Sharing!


And when I said a flight cage, I meant something like this.... aka something that *does not* go on a table....

Amazon.com : HQ Flight Cage, Multi Purpose Aviary with Cart Stand, Black, 1 Per Box : Parrot Cage : Pet Supplies



Here's a picture of that cage with 7 birds inside of it.... (birds were being boarded - otherwise, wouldn't have had so many inside it!)





Diet sounds ok. Not all the food has to be cooked, a lot of food can be fed fresh! :) (fruits and veggies)


Toys will vary depending on the birds... two birds of the same type may enjoy completely different types of toys! :) You can definitely try a variety of toys and see what they take to the most! Likewise, you can make toys into foraging toys to make them more interesting!

Budgies shouldn't really be destroying rope, so it's fine that she doesn't! Popsicle sticks, craft sticks, balsa and yucca wood, thin slats of pine.... those are better for her to destroy! :D



BTW........ it's species, not breed. :) Species are naturally occurring, nature selected where-as breeds are unnatural and man made!
 

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Thank you very much for the reference photos! That's very helpful for me to see a comparison image between the two birds. I feel like I knew the species/breed difference, but I probably forgot - thank you for the reminder!

I only thought it went on a table because the flight cage I saw at petsmart (which I'm looking into as an upgrade for my budgie) doesn't come with a stand and would have to sit on a table of some sort. It was specifically labeled as flight cage, so I was misunderstanding what you meant. This cage is very nice, I'll have to look into it - I just don't have the room in the apartment I live in for a cage on a stand right now so I have to stick to whatever can fit on my vanity. Since it has to be in my room (no exceptions - my mom has cats that can't be kept in the other bedroom all day and have to be let into the living room) it has to be on the vanity, there's no more space in my room on the floor due to it holding two beds, two dressers, a vanity, bookshelf, a pair of nighstands, and still needs room to walk in. But I'll certainly consider a cage like this (hopefully larger) once I have the space for it.

As for foraging toys, do you mean stuff that they have to chew into to get something else, or like, these little tiny paper roll things that get mixed into their food? I bought a little bag of the latter a while back, little strips of colored paper that are rolled up pretty tight and would ideally be chewed on, but my budgie took no interest and I'm unsure if it's just her personality or it's something that no bird would find interesting. She's always liked chewing on paper (especially the paper towels I line her cage with :rolleyes:) but never really so much wood or sticks. She chewed on her wooden dowel perches for a short while, but that was the only wood she touched, everything else she showed no interest in, even other wooden perches.

I figured cooked might work, since my budgie has never happily taken fresh food, only if I cooked it would she accept it (I'm careful about the spices, I don't give her salted bits and only on occasion does she get stuff that has garlic powder, as far as I know in moderation it's fine for her?) but that might just be her preference to have the softer stuff. Even if it's just plain, she'll take the cooked over raw any day. I'm still trying to get the hang of proper bird diets/toys, I wasn't very informed for most of her life and am trying to get educated on what would be best for her and any other bird I may welcome into my family during my life.
 

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Foraging can be as simple as putting treats or millet into already existing toys not made for foraging! :) The act of retrieving the food is simple foraging, and from there, you can make it more difficult.


And yes, garlic is not good for birds. In moderation, it may be fine, but I can't tell you how much is too much, because birds may react differently to different amounts. You can also try herb spices, like parsley, oregano, rosemary or others like celery seed, cayenne pepper, red pepper flakes, etc.


Have you tried taking kale, parsley, or other leafy greens, getting them wet and hanging them up inside her cage or getting a bowl and lining it with leafy greens and adding water?
 

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That's very helpful! I'll have to try that, I know I could at the very least weave a little ball with some millet inside to get her to chew through, that might give her something to do.

She doesn't get much, because I don't put a lot in the food that I make and she only gets a little bit of the food (because she'll eat a lot if she likes the taste, and I don't want her to overeat) but I will keep that in mind and try to lower the amount or keep it away from her in general. I've used a few herb spices, and she seemed to like those, but I was cautious because I wasn't sure which would be safe.

I haven't hung them up before, every time I've tried to present leafy greens to her, she's either acting disgusted or terrified of them. I want her to try them, but I don't want to traumatize her by forcing her (that being, holding her and holding it up to her beak so she bites it, which unfortunately as a young child I did a couple times to make her try new foods and it's literally come back to bite me on many occasions) and also don't want her to be afraid to walk across her cage because there's something she's afraid of in it. She seems to like dried stuff in small pieces fine, but she doesn't like the fresh greens so much. Still working on that with her, I know I can introduce it slowly and eventually she'll try it.

She's a pretty picky eater, but do you think it would be easier to introduce new foods to a younger bird? I can't tell if being super picky is an every bird thing, species specific, or just because she's 9 years into her habits and doesn't always want to allow new things into her routines. My cousin usually has better luck getting her bird to eat new things, but she's had the bird since hatching and it's a green cheek conure (well, some kind of variation of that but I can't remember which one) and as far as I know, conures are a little more willing to try new things, and in this bird's case, accept new foods from the person she's known her whole life that has never given her anything bad - so even though she's got routine she'll still openly try new stuff whereas Alder will sometimes simply refuse to try (but usually she'll give it a nibble.. just not with leafy greens.)

Also, I just want to thank you sincerely for all your advice and information thus far, it's very helpful and I appreciate it sincerely.
 

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You could also try offering the food to her outside of the cage?

I've had older birds, quite possibly older than her, take to new foods without issues! So much so that you could have sworn they always ate those foods when they never did before! So I wouldn't say it's an age issue, but more of a presentation issue.... although having at least one bird that eats healthy is always helpful when trying to convert a seed junkie over to a healthier diet..... I would say it varies by birds and owners.


If it helps.....

Converting Parrots to a Healthier Diet - Tips | Avian Avenue Parrot Forum
 

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I'll give that a try in a day or two - not for procrastination's sake but she's not quite at her full health yet and I want to make sure she's all better before taking her out of the cage, just in case she tries to fly (unclipped) and hurts herself in a dazed state, although I'm fairly sure she's recovered from the seizure, I still want to be absolutely sure before taking anything that could be a risk.

She's the only bird I have right now, can't afford to care for another since I can barely afford her (no job yet, working on that) so I'm a little limited in what I can do, but I'm trying whatever I can manage that I don't think will pose her any problems.

Thank you for that link! I'll be sure to read that soon (It's late and I know she won't sleep well if I don't come to bed eventually, because sometimes she'll wait for me) !
I'm already working on introducing a healthier diet in terms of the seed I buy, I found a more natural and healthy bag by the usual brand I buy from that has dehydrated fruits and veggies and what /appear/ to be colored little pellets (I know ideally they'd be 100% organic and no dyes, but at least it's introducing them to her in a manner she may respond to positively over throwing a fit and just throwing them around). It's mostly the fresh stuff I struggle with, but this should help me get some footing on getting her to eat healthier. I want her to be healthy of course, but still happy with what she eats, so I want to explore around a little and see what she prefers so that she'll be just as willing to eat good food if not more than she is to munch down some seeds/millet.

If I may, what are /your/ birds' favorite foods? So far, Alder is the happiest to accept my mashed potatoes that I mix egg into ( at least, that's the healthiest thing, she'll beg and beg for alfredo sauce and after doing some reading, I know better than to share now and I'm glad when I did it was only tiny bits :s )
 

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I prefer buying seeds and pellets separately, and, if need be, mixing them together.

Sprouts are a favorite here, but I also feed grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits. I like to make a mash diet for my flock and freezing it in "portions" so that way it'll last longer. :)


This is an old picture from years ago (I no longer have budgies) but it's a favorite that I've taken. I'm not sure if any of those budgies had food beyond seeds before I got them!


 

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I had a crimson rosella for 10 years. I bought him as a youngster and even though he was not a bird that liked to be handled. Monica is correct in that they are more of an aviary bird than a companion bird. That said, I am sure there is the exception to the rule given early training. He was a biter but I did still pick him up to take him out of his cage but later on when he bit more I would just open his door to allow him freedom. Even though his bowls of food were well supplied he still liked to go to the floor of his cage to forage …. which is a natural behavior for the species. I called him a "fishing bird", always fishing for something better under the grate of his cage. They are prone to bacterial infections so it's vital you change the paper daily in the event your rosella likes to bottom forage the cage. And they also dunk their food in their water so changing the water bowl a couple times a day will prevent health issues. Their bites will definitely leave a mark if not a hole in your skin… and yes it hurts! They are a stunning species, are fairly quiet pets, require plenty of cage space and a varied diet. Mine could say a few words and was fond of whistling the "Mayberry theme". Made me smile every time he did. I miss him a great deal still after 14 years of his passing. I would love to have another but with 8 birds I would not bring another in and focus on what I have.
 

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I prefer buying seeds and pellets separately, and, if need be, mixing them together.

Sprouts are a favorite here, but I also feed grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits. I like to make a mash diet for my flock and freezing it in "portions" so that way it'll last longer. :)


This is an old picture from years ago (I no longer have budgies) but it's a favorite that I've taken. I'm not sure if any of those budgies had food beyond seeds before I got them!
I'll have to try freezing portions for Alder once I figure out what she likes! I've never given her sprouted seeds, is there a certain kind to use that you'd recommend? The only thing I could think of is alfalfa sprouts.

Those are some adorable birds! The back right budgie's blue coloring is almost identical to Alder, and the front left's blue is almost identical if not identical to Maple! I'm guessing that since I'm only feeding one bird, I'd be making much smaller portions - I'll have to look into buying some little airtight containers or ziploc type bags.

I've heard that some birds will flat out refuse to eat pellets if seeds are provided with them and will sooner starve themselves than eat the pellets if they think seed is coming - I don't want my bird to starve herself (and she's very stubborn at times) but I also heard that if a budgie wasn't weaned onto pellets, they'll never take the 'proper' kind and the best you can get is the colorful ones. I'm not sure how valid this may be, or if the person who told me this has just only experienced this and not a budgie that will transition to pellets and seeds and eat both.
 
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