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Budgie Small Colony Advice

Farfah

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If you are already worried about cost, then breeding isn't the right choice for you.

If anything should happen to your birds or their chicks, would you be prepared to spend hundreds of dollars for an emergency vet visit?
As a reference, last year I had an emergency with two of my chicks. An emergency vet visit and follow up visits cost me over $800, and both chicks ended up dying in the end. Most people would feel like I "threw away" $800 trying to save a silly little bird. But as a breeder, you need to be prepared and able to take care of your chicks by any means possible.
Aw, that must have been heartbreaking! The cost aside, it must hurt to lose chicks. My mother bred budgies way back in the day in Hong Kong and she told me many stories about health complications with hens and chicks. Breeding is complicated.
 

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Yes, cost of seeds & birds is dwarf compared to medical care which you should also plan for.

Best to start with 2 birds & see if you can find a bonded pair.
If you get separate birds if they don't pair up then you will have to get more birds.
More cages & more possible vet costs.

English budgies & the smaller budgies don't get along well.
The English is bigger but also less domineering. The little guys might be after the big English & the English could hurt the little guys. There will be constant friction between English & regular budgies & you don't want this if you are trying to have them breeding safe.

Might be best to do research & wait til you get settled in new home so don't have to move them. You have alot to learn & plan for. Try to find breeders of good English hopefully handfed & get on waiting list. English are really sweet budgies.
 

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I already have a pair in a cage I have had them for 7-8 moths the feamale name is Angel and the male is Banjo I think Angel is going to breed soon but I am not sure I will like advice on these two I baught a nest box 5 weeks ago she is adveturing near it and chewing around the sides and ripping paper on the bottom of the cage . Anyone can tell me if this is breeding beahvior or am I just being enthusiastic about her laying eggs
 

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I already have a pair in a cage I have had them for 7-8 moths the feamale name is Angel and the male is Banjo I think Angel is going to breed soon but I am not sure I will like advice on these two I baught a nest box 5 weeks ago she is adveturing near it and chewing around the sides and ripping paper on the bottom of the cage . Anyone can tell me if this is breeding beahvior or am I just being enthusiastic about her laying eggs
This already tells me you haven't done anything to prepare other than buying a nest box. I would suggest removing the nest box until you have your necessary supplies and are fully prepared for feeding and housing chicks from day 1 if the parents abandon them. If you don't know breeding behavior... you don't know all the crucial information to be successful.
 

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Please remove the nest box! You are not ready to handle even one clutch. I suggest you hook up with a responsible breeder for some mentoring and hands on experience.
 

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Thats my problem I have been searching for breeder for the longest time for advice but I have always come up emty haded
 

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All I know about breeding is from tutorials ext I know if a parent rejects the bird I will need to feed and take care of the baby and besides my grandma breeds birds she has been helping me set up the cage and how to take care o them she is the one who told me to put the nest box in the first place
 

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Join FB. There are several show budgie groups world wide. Some are in your state.
 

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yeah I am wating to move into a bigger place and I will follow your advice
I baught a nest box 5 weeks ago she is adveturing near it
I would recommend removing the box and waiting to breed until after you move.
Moving with chicks in the nest is complicated and risky.

I have been searching for breeder for the longest time for advice but I have always come up emty haded
my grandma breeds birds
These two sentences contradict each other. If you Grandma breeds, then she can show you the ropes? Can she show you how to handfeed? (I mean now, not when a chick is in need of feeding)
 

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English budgies & the smaller budgies don't get along well.
The English is bigger but also less domineering. The little guys might be after the big English & the English could hurt the little guys. There will be constant friction between English & regular budgies & you don't want this if you are trying to have them breeding safe.
I'm going to disagree with you here. English and American budgies can get along just fine. I have an aviary with both types together and have never had any issues.
HOWEVER, it all depends on the individual bird. Some birds can be bullies and will pick on any other cage mate regardless of what type of bird it is.


I already have a pair in a cage I have had them for 7-8 moths the feamale name is Angel and the male is Banjo I think Angel is going to breed soon but I am not sure I will like advice on these two I baught a nest box 5 weeks ago she is adveturing near it and chewing around the sides and ripping paper on the bottom of the cage . Anyone can tell me if this is breeding beahvior or am I just being enthusiastic about her laying eggs
You really haven't done enough research on breeding, otherwise you would know that your birds are TOO YOUNG to be allowed a nest box and you should NOT be encouraging them to breed.



Also, English budgies are much harder to breed than american budgies. It's frustrating, it's time consuming, it's expensive, it's not as easy as you think it's going to be.
English budgies tend to have fertility issues and will lay a lot of infertile eggs. If this happens, you will still need to give them a break from breeding and laying, at LEAST 6 months to a year. You can't allow them to keep laying eggs in hopes of a fertile clutch.
English budgies have a much shorter life span and can have a lot of health issues. Even if you get your birds from a reputable breeder, be prepared for heartbreak at their short lifespan.
 

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I've posted this before, but it's worth posting again.

There is a LOT that goes into breeding Budgies, and you need to do your research before you even begin to think about breeding them. Just because they are small and sometimes inexpensive, doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the same attention, dedication, and hard work that it takes to breed show dogs, rare cats, or even prized race horses.

Here is a list of things you need to think of before you even CONSIDER breeding.

1). Are your birds proper breeding age? (Older than 1 year, but younger than 4 years old.)
- Breeding birds that are not the appropriate age will lead to issues/death of your birds and/or chicks.

2). Has each bird been vet checked and given a FULL bill of clean health?
- It is extremely important to only breed strong and healthy birds with no health issues that can be passed down to the chicks.

3). Are your birds on a good healthy diet? One that consists of pellets, seeds, fresh veggies, fruit, fresh sprouts, high calcium and protein?
- It’s important to have your birds eating a good diet BEFORE breeding. This will help keep their weight and energy up during the breeding process, and these good eating habits will be passed down to their chicks.

4). Do you have a proper breeding cage?
- A breeding cage needs to have enough space, natural perches, and a side door to attach a nest box on the OUTSIDE of the cage.

5). Do you have a proper nest box?
- A nest box needs to be mounted on the outside of the cage, it needs a concave bottom, and it needs to have easy access to be cleaned out DAILY.

6). Do you have proper nesting material?
- Pine or aspen wood shavings are proper nesting materials and they help keep the nest dry and clean. Wood shavings need to be replaced every day to help keep the nest sanitary for the chicks.

7). Do you recognize the signs of egg binding?
- Egg binding is a serious concern for a hen. It is an emergency situation and needs vet care immediately. It is a terrible and painful way for a hen to die.

8). Do you have an avian vet nearby in case of egg binding or complications with the chicks?
- Knowing where your avian vet is located is very important before breeding. You don’t want to be frantically searching for one if you are in the middle of an emergency with your birds.

9). If the hen rejects her chicks, do you have the ability to take time off work/school/extracurricular activities/social events?
- Chicks will need to be fed every 2-3 hours until they are weaned. This can take 4-6 WEEKS! You can not skip feedings, you can not delay feedings, you can not forget feedings. Your chicks lives are entirely depending on you, so you must be willing to put your own life on hold until they are grown.

10). Do you have someone (preferably a vet) to teach you how to hand feed if the parents reject the chicks?
-This is very delicate work and a chick can easily aspirate and die if you don’t know what you are doing.

11). Do you have a place to set up a brood box or an incubator if you have to take the young from the parents?
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Young chicks need a safe, warm, dry and clean brood box.

12). Do you have emergency hand feeding supplies?

- Incubator, high quality formula, syringes, spoons, thermometer, digital scale, ect.

13). Do you have the expendable income to afford supplies?
- If you can’t afford to purchase these items BEFORE breeding, then don’t breed!

14). If you’re a minor, do you have a support system behind you that is willing to pay for the cost of breeding supplies, vet visits, emergency supplies?
- Parents must be willing to help pay for anything that your breeding birds may need. If you’re parents are not willing to pay, then don’t breed!

15). If the hen starts to attack her chicks (this happens more often than you think) do you have a separate cage for her?
- If a hen wants to start a new clutch while she still has chicks in the nest, she will start to attack them and will need to be removed from the breeding cage before she kills them.

16). Do you have a large weaning cage for the chicks when they start exploring outside the nest box?
- Chicks will need to have a large cage with lots of natural perches, toys, foraging toys, and a wide variety of foods to try. This is an important time in a chick’s life where they learn how to be a budgie. They learn how to perch, fly, forage, acrobatics, ect.

17). Do you have homes lined up for your chicks?
- Depending on your location, it may be difficult to find homes for all your chicks.

18). Do you have space to keep all the chicks in your home?
- If you can’t find homes for your chicks, are you willing to keep them in your own home, in appropriate size cages?

19). If a chick doesn’t work out in its new home, are you willing and able to accept it back into your home?
- Sometimes new owners decide that having a budgie just isn’t for them and may want to return the bird back to the breeder. If you can’t accept the bird back, it will likely end up in a rescue, the SPCA, or even worse.

20). Are you prepared for potential heartbreak?
-Because “shizz happens”, even to the best breeders. You can easily loose the chicks and the parents if you are not prepared for the worst.

If you cannot firmly answer YES to all of these questions... DO NOT BREED YOUR BIRDS!

Budgies are living, breathing and feeling creatures and your inability to provide the best possible environment will harm them and any other birds you bring into the world.
 
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