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4 month old DYH Amazon suddenly aggressive and biting

Aury4Ralph

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Hello everyone, I have a four month old yellow headed Amazon which we have hand raised since she was about three months old. Now all of a sudden we’re having issues with her being aggressive towards the rest of my family members. She mostly tolerates me and steps up off her cage and lets me give her scratches, but if anyone else approaches her cage she immediately gets in aggressive stance and lounges at them, especially at my 17 year old son who she has bit and drew blood a few times. If she is away from her cage she’s a little more open to step up, but everyone has become more afraid of her. They offer her treats which she’ll take, but she will no longer let them give give her scratches and she will no longer step up for them from on top or in her cage I need some advice on what we can do because I hate the my baby does not get along with everyone. :(
 

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In the meantime, please keep in mind that what you are experiencing is a natural tendency. Parrots, and this has been observed in the wild in Puerto Rican Amazons, do seek to form mate bonds early in life. This is well before they are reproductively ready. It usually happens some time after fledging. Juveniles, with no experience, will even "play house." Meaning they will acquire a nesting hole during breeding season, break away from the flock as the typical bonded pair will do, and begin nesting. They, although, end up abandoning their efforts. The synchronicity in behaviors (which takes time in doing everything together), as well as stamina to forage for young, is something they have not matured into yet. However, many of the behaviors that parrots present in captivity run parallel to what they'd be doing in the wild at that stage of life. So, your bird is selecting a mate. With Amazon parrots (and many others, macaws, etc.), nests are always defended vigorously in the wild. This is survival of one's genes and deeply instinctive. It's hard to hear but they do maim and even kill each other fighting over nesting sites, or will kill each other's baby's to take over a nesting site. Again, your birds behavior as you describe it, towards you and around it's cage, seems to be an enactment of this same instinct. This is not to say it can't be managed only that it should be understood in the proper light.
 
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Another thing I just remembered, in reference to your Amazon not allowing anyone else to touch her, "She will no longer let them give give her scratches." Allopreening, or mutual preening, even close proximity, is often reserved for mates as it reinforces the pair bond. This may further indicate that she has chosen you as a mate as per above. I wish you luck!
 

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Considering no one else has responded yet. My advice is to have a group communication with the members of your household. The aim being that everyone's outlook may need to change. You may begin by reinforcing the understanding that no animal, especially a wild animal, should be brought into a household with narrow expectations put on it, what it must be, etc. That they may not fit what we want them to be, and remind them that we love other humans unconditionally as well, we try to understand each other's differences (or should). And, remind them that it simply wouldn't be fair to an innocent, social creature, to be isolated or ignored by those around it (even though the bird may seem to want that now). Again, remind them that this is not a domesticated pet. Those other than yourself may need to then come to accept that their interactions with the bird will be different from the way you are able to interact with it (and that it's ok). They should care about it regardless as there are still things they can do to be considerate of your bird and it's wellbeing in your home. And THAT should be the source of satisfaction of owning any living being. It is owed that by virtue of you having it (call it stewardship, etc.). It's the conscientious and responsible part of owning a parrot. I understand that birds forming bonds and not loving everyone equally is sad and disappointing. This may not be as comforting as you'd like to hear but it is a possible reality. The idea that they will not always be the ideal we hope for. If I could sum this up in one word it would be, "empathy." We all need to have this.
 
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I have two amazons ones a blue front and one is a double yellow head ..I adopted these from rescues and they were both adults...They have both grown to tolerate me cleaning and feeding but they dont want much else to do with me...I have learned to work with them with out handling them ...so some times you expect more then they want to give ...I would have the family drop treats into her dish every time they go to see her ..talk sweet and maybe sing to her ..I do this with mine ...once everyone is comfortable giving treats and so is she you can try target training her ..getting her to stay in one place or the other with target training she may come around and become more handleable ..you can also get her to step up in a stick so there is less chance of her biting you or anyone else when she comes out of her cage ..sometimes amazons are bit hard to deal with but if you hang in there she may come around and be a great handelable bird but it may take some time ..Best of luck :D
 

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This is a common issue with young amazons. She's probably done hand-feeding or close to it and feeling the first real push of confidence and independence. The other issue is that amazons don't necessarily feel the need to get along with everyone in the house. In fact, most large parrots are selective about who they let pick them up. The more someone tries to befriend an amazon, the more the amazon pushes back. I think you first need to consider the expectation that everyone should be able to handle the bird equally. Honestly, this is unrealistic. Amazons are picky. That being said, I've had plenty of baby amazons that went through a real biting phase from about 4 months through maybe a year or a little after. They are busy at this age, learning to really fly, testing beak strength, throwing themselves into wrestling with their toys. This is an independent species anyway that doesn't usually like a whole lot of cuddling. Most of my amazons get a quick scratch when I walk by their cage and then I put them back down to play. If I try to push and make them accept all the love I would lavish onto my dog or cockatoo, I will get bit. At this point, let her be young and restless. Back off a little and keep interactions short. Always ask first before petting. I hold my finger a little out of bite range and ask my amazons if they want scratches. They figure out what it means fast. If they bow their head of fluff up their feathers a little bit, then it's probably a yes. If they grumble, ignore me, or turn their back to me, or flare their tail and flash their pupils, its probably a no. If the bird says no, I respect it. I might stand there and chat with them a little and then walk away. It's also helpful if you approach bearing gifts at random times with no expectation that the bird will allow scratches in exchange for the gift. Just hand her a piece of almond when you walk by the cage and don't even try to touch her. Give her an easy food toy like a paper cup with some small wood blocks inside and walk away. Only really try to pet her when the house is calm. That means no one is tense, has been yelling, no music or t.v. making noise, no noisy dishwasher, laundry machine, other pets and people are not nearby. Amazons will absolutely bite the person they are sitting on because they can't reach who they really want to bite (other people or pets). When the world is quiet and the bird is awake but looks a little sleepy, that is the time to approach an amazon and ask for a scratch. If she allows petting, don't get greedy. Give her a quick scratch and then move on with your day. If she is willing to step up, don't get greedy and ask for more. Praise her and put her back down...ideally with a treat.
One of my females put her beak through my thumb webbing when she was just shy of a year old. She was a sweet baby, then mostly hands off and defensive for a few months. Now, she's a great bird. I can even hold her close and give her a quick hug which a lot of amazons won't allow (even otherwise nice birds). This is a make or break time of life for amazons. If you play it wrong, biting can become a habit. If you do it right, she will probably grow out of the worst of it. Although, she may try to pair bond with someone and be generally grouchy toward everyone else as she approaches maturity in a few years. You really need to accept that the basic nature of the adult amazon is not super snuggly and generally she will have strong likes and dislikes and have her own personality. Trying to change her to meet your expectations probably won't work and may make things worse. It's easier if the human is the one that changes their behavior. While amazons are not necessarily great and meeting all of their owner's emotional needs, their independence allows them to roll through life's changes better than more codependent species like cockatoos. Treat her independence like it's a good thing. She's less likely to pluck out her feathers or scream for attention than cockatoos or macaws that allow more petting. The trade offs that come with owning an amazon should be embraced.
 

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This is a common issue with young amazons. She's probably done hand-feeding or close to it and feeling the first real push of confidence and independence. The other issue is that amazons don't necessarily feel the need to get along with everyone in the house. In fact, most large parrots are selective about who they let pick them up. The more someone tries to befriend an amazon, the more the amazon pushes back. I think you first need to consider the expectation that everyone should be able to handle the bird equally. Honestly, this is unrealistic. Amazons are picky. That being said, I've had plenty of baby amazons that went through a real biting phase from about 4 months through maybe a year or a little after. They are busy at this age, learning to really fly, testing beak strength, throwing themselves into wrestling with their toys. This is an independent species anyway that doesn't usually like a whole lot of cuddling. Most of my amazons get a quick scratch when I walk by their cage and then I put them back down to play. If I try to push and make them accept all the love I would lavish onto my dog or cockatoo, I will get bit. At this point, let her be young and restless. Back off a little and keep interactions short. Always ask first before petting. I hold my finger a little out of bite range and ask my amazons if they want scratches. They figure out what it means fast. If they bow their head of fluff up their feathers a little bit, then it's probably a yes. If they grumble, ignore me, or turn their back to me, or flare their tail and flash their pupils, its probably a no. If the bird says no, I respect it. I might stand there and chat with them a little and then walk away. It's also helpful if you approach bearing gifts at random times with no expectation that the bird will allow scratches in exchange for the gift. Just hand her a piece of almond when you walk by the cage and don't even try to touch her. Give her an easy food toy like a paper cup with some small wood blocks inside and walk away. Only really try to pet her when the house is calm. That means no one is tense, has been yelling, no music or t.v. making noise, no noisy dishwasher, laundry machine, other pets and people are not nearby. Amazons will absolutely bite the person they are sitting on because they can't reach who they really want to bite (other people or pets). When the world is quiet and the bird is awake but looks a little sleepy, that is the time to approach an amazon and ask for a scratch. If she allows petting, don't get greedy. Give her a quick scratch and then move on with your day. If she is willing to step up, don't get greedy and ask for more. Praise her and put her back down...ideally with a treat.
One of my females put her beak through my thumb webbing when she was just shy of a year old. She was a sweet baby, then mostly hands off and defensive for a few months. Now, she's a great bird. I can even hold her close and give her a quick hug which a lot of amazons won't allow (even otherwise nice birds). This is a make or break time of life for amazons. If you play it wrong, biting can become a habit. If you do it right, she will probably grow out of the worst of it. Although, she may try to pair bond with someone and be generally grouchy toward everyone else as she approaches maturity in a few years. You really need to accept that the basic nature of the adult amazon is not super snuggly and generally she will have strong likes and dislikes and have her own personality. Trying to change her to meet your expectations probably won't work and may make things worse. It's easier if the human is the one that changes their behavior. While amazons are not necessarily great and meeting all of their owner's emotional needs, their independence allows them to roll through life's changes better than more codependent species like cockatoos. Treat her independence like it's a good thing. She's less likely to pluck out her feathers or scream for attention than cockatoos or macaws that allow more petting. The trade offs that come with owning an amazon should be embraced.
Wow, such a helpful post.
 

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" trying to change her to meet your expectations probably won't work and may make things worse. It's easier if the human is the one that changes their behavior. "

Not having been a frequenter of forums for about 10 or so years now, to read this is a refreshing turnaround from the "behavior modification" people of days past, or when the emphasis in advice was changing what amounted to the bird's nature (which was, ironically, poorly understood and anthropomorphized). So, yeah, I hope the current understanding has become to work with the bird's nature and understand from their perspective. It is a helpful post.
 

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This is a common issue with young amazons. She's probably done hand-feeding or close to it and feeling the first real push of confidence and independence. The other issue is that amazons don't necessarily feel the need to get along with everyone in the house. In fact, most large parrots are selective about who they let pick them up. The more someone tries to befriend an amazon, the more the amazon pushes back. I think you first need to consider the expectation that everyone should be able to handle the bird equally. Honestly, this is unrealistic. Amazons are picky. That being said, I've had plenty of baby amazons that went through a real biting phase from about 4 months through maybe a year or a little after. They are busy at this age, learning to really fly, testing beak strength, throwing themselves into wrestling with their toys. This is an independent species anyway that doesn't usually like a whole lot of cuddling. Most of my amazons get a quick scratch when I walk by their cage and then I put them back down to play. If I try to push and make them accept all the love I would lavish onto my dog or cockatoo, I will get bit. At this point, let her be young and restless. Back off a little and keep interactions short. Always ask first before petting. I hold my finger a little out of bite range and ask my amazons if they want scratches. They figure out what it means fast. If they bow their head of fluff up their feathers a little bit, then it's probably a yes. If they grumble, ignore me, or turn their back to me, or flare their tail and flash their pupils, its probably a no. If the bird says no, I respect it. I might stand there and chat with them a little and then walk away. It's also helpful if you approach bearing gifts at random times with no expectation that the bird will allow scratches in exchange for the gift. Just hand her a piece of almond when you walk by the cage and don't even try to touch her. Give her an easy food toy like a paper cup with some small wood blocks inside and walk away. Only really try to pet her when the house is calm. That means no one is tense, has been yelling, no music or t.v. making noise, no noisy dishwasher, laundry machine, other pets and people are not nearby. Amazons will absolutely bite the person they are sitting on because they can't reach who they really want to bite (other people or pets). When the world is quiet and the bird is awake but looks a little sleepy, that is the time to approach an amazon and ask for a scratch. If she allows petting, don't get greedy. Give her a quick scratch and then move on with your day. If she is willing to step up, don't get greedy and ask for more. Praise her and put her back down...ideally with a treat.
One of my females put her beak through my thumb webbing when she was just shy of a year old. She was a sweet baby, then mostly hands off and defensive for a few months. Now, she's a great bird. I can even hold her close and give her a quick hug which a lot of amazons won't allow (even otherwise nice birds). This is a make or break time of life for amazons. If you play it wrong, biting can become a habit. If you do it right, she will probably grow out of the worst of it. Although, she may try to pair bond with someone and be generally grouchy toward everyone else as she approaches maturity in a few years. You really need to accept that the basic nature of the adult amazon is not super snuggly and generally she will have strong likes and dislikes and have her own personality. Trying to change her to meet your expectations probably won't work and may make things worse. It's easier if the human is the one that changes their behavior. While amazons are not necessarily great and meeting all of their owner's emotional needs, their independence allows them to roll through life's changes better than more codependent species like cockatoos. Treat her independence like it's a good thing. She's less likely to pluck out her feathers or scream for attention than cockatoos or macaws that allow more petting. The trade offs that come with owning an amazon should be embraced.
Thank you so so Much for the great advice. I’m happy to realize that we have been having the correct approach with our Cleo, she definitely lets everyone know I am a her favorite, but we have had better days since everyone has given her space and not pushed themselves on her. We will continue trying all those techniques and hopefully she will learn to “tolerate” everyone else without the excessive aggression.
 

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