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What's the real cost of breeding birds?

wasabismom

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Everyone gave good advise. You really don't know if you will make any money... If you get a pair that's not tame do you really want a pair of birds that are loud and bite? Babies die and then the ones that don't will be sold. Birds are expensive... U purchase the birds, cage, food, toys, perches, and then vet visits... Expensive investment... What if the parents aren't good and experienced yet?
Raising babies would be great except then u have to sell them...
My suggestion is buy a baby bird for you. Snuggle and bond with new baby bird. Find a breeder and ask if they need help. Help at a rescue... There are other ways to make some extra cash with birds... In your area offer bird sitting or look for jobs at zoo, pet store, or bird store. Find breeders in your area and ask if they need assistant. Just my opinion it would be hard if something went wrong... Also giving the babies away to a stranger would be hard. I'm not opposed to breeding because I feel in some cases it's good... Did you know the sun conure is endangered in the wild so we only have the ones available in the pet trade. But there are tons of sun conures up for adoption because they are loud and not a good fit for most families. Lots to consider!
 

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First, you have to realize that A) Breeders rarely make good pets and B) Good pets rarely make good breeders. So, If you buy a breeder pair, you should not buy babies. They will see each other as siblings, and be imprinted on humans. They are less likely to want to breed, and even less likely to have the ability to parent their babies. If you must breed, you are better off buying a proven breeding pair and not handling them as pets.
Yes I do realize the issue of tame pet birds becoming aggressive once breeders, but I'm aware some do go back to being tame pets after breeding season is over. If not, I will have an aviary outside for them. This would be hard losing them as pets, but if I go into it knowing this is very likely to happen if I breed them, and possibly also plan to keep one of their babies as my tame pet bird, that should help prepare me for it.
I don't think I would risk buying a 'proven pair' it seems too risky and suspicious for why they are being sold in the first place like there is a problem with them. Then I could be stuck with 2 birds which are neither tame pets or breeders :omg:
Aren't birds like most other animals regarding being siblings and mating, where it doesn't matter to them? Of course my pair will not be siblings, I plan on buying them as babies from different breeders, but I mean even if they see each other as siblings which you suggested, will they not still breed?

In reply to other points people have raised:

I understand it must be emotionally very difficult to witness a baby bird die and it is going to happen some time because it does in nature, despite all efforts. I want to make sure the mother bird is as healthy as possible through diet and lifestyle before she lays any eggs. I think I would take the baby birds to hand rear them as early as possible to prevent them being hurt by the parent birds, perhaps even take them while still eggs (need to research this further). And educate myself on hand rearing, just like everyone else who has done it. Though that doesn't guarantee the babies would survive, it would give them the best chance and that's all any breeder can do for any type of animal.
Buy necessary equipment to hand rear them is a once off purchase, so wouldn't be on ongoing cost except for the feed formula obviously oh and electricity for an incubator.

I would expect to make a bit of money from selling the babies after all the time and effort put into hand rearing them, but like Karen said it would be the equivalent of pennies per hour of work put in, I'm fine with that.

Saying my reasons for wanting to breed birds isn't good enough, they aren't a hobby etc.... you could say that about most animal breeders, they do it because they love their animals and enjoy it, what's wrong with that? Surely it's a good thing. People saying that must be against breeding animals at all.
It's not like I'm someone who doesn't care about bird welfare and isn't interested in getting better educated, who just wants to breed a bunch of the most expensive Macaw birds so they can make a big profit and couldn't care less how they are treated or if they are suffering.
Also I would never think of them as 'toys', how insulting...

Vet bills? I don't know much about avian vets. I kept a few small parakeets years ago and never took them to the vet, (I trimmed nails myself) birds are quite hardy animals in general, maybe the bigger they are the less true that is and the more veterinary treatment they need?
But they don't cost like dogs and cats needing yearly vaccinations, preventative flea and worm treatments all year round, yearly check ups where they listen to the heart beat etc. Of course you can choose to do vet check ups but it isn't a necessity unless there's a problem I wouldn't waste money on that, seen a lot of people on this site saying the vets did nothing to help and the bird died anyway. You can research a lot of things yourself on how to diagnose and treat pets these days which I've done successfully before....obviously for minor things, I'm not talking about performing surgery yourself :lol:

No I don't have experience breeding birds but neither did anyone else when they first started, we all have to start somewhere, I'm educating myself on it before I do anything.

I know a bit about the 2, 3, 4 hourly feedings for chicks and I am able to devote that time to them as I'm a house wife so can mostly make up my own schedule.

The emotional cost is weighing heaviest on my mind right now. Seeing the babies not make it, even though it's natural for some not to, and if they do -having to give them away after all the time and care you have put into them. I don't think trying to see them as not mine from the very start and trying to detach myself from them would work after all the time spent together. I'm sorry for the sad experiences of some posters here, thank you for that insight it was hard to read, poor babies and parronts :sorrow:

For those who asked, my chosen bird is the green cheeked conure.
 

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I think deciding you will pull the eggs and feed from day 1 is a good indication that you should not try this without plenty more research and some serious backup from a very experienced breeder. I am in no way experienced and cannot offer any extra help over some of the wonderful people that do this as part of their everyday life but a few things spring to mind... Keeping formula for a new hatchling at precisely the correct temp for the duration of each feed (1 hour including prep and clean up), getting the perfect consistency of feed for a new born chick, keeping the chick at precisely the correct temp in the first weeks, and new chicks have ZERO immune system in place so you need to be clinical with cleanliness and what about probiotics to kick start digestive and immune response? Like I said this is just the first week before any problem may arise like slow crops or foreign body ingestion or air in the crop. All of which the parent birds have had millions of years of evolution to iron out these problems themselves before a human comes along with their huge clumsy dirty sausage fingers and says hey I know nothing yet but how hard can it be? Birds are tough right?

This is not a dig and I know very little in the few months I have had to be a parent to baby parrots but it is definitely NOT as easy as saying I'll learn first and then hey presto I can do it. I'm sure you are very intelligent and have looked into most of the pro's and cons already but when I had twin girls I thought hey it'll be OK loads of people have kids it'll be fine but then they were born and I had to take them home my world turned inside out and have seen some dark places and only now do I really know what it is like to be in charge of another life from zero and nobody can prepare you for it

So when everyone experienced is saying breeders not pets and don't pull until 3 weeks they have all learned through struggle and loss and only trying to help out so you get the best advice possible.....

Good luck with whatever you decide but learn the easy way not the hard way for the birds sake!

After all it's their life not yours that you have to consider.

Peace.
 

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Saying my reasons for wanting to breed birds isn't good enough, they aren't a hobby etc.... you could say that about most animal breeders, they do it because they love their animals and enjoy it, what's wrong with that? Surely it's a good thing.

It's easy to walk around with blinders on only seeing what we want and ignoring anything else. It's only a good thing to the humans. That is how most humans "rationalize" their self indulgence to have and control another living being. The very reason the "pet industry" is what it is. It has nothing to do with what that bird (animal) wants or needs.

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.

-- Bertrand Russell

All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.í
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I don't have any experience when it comes to breeding, nor do I want any. I do have a story I'd like to share with you though. I have 3 birds. 2 were purchased from breeders, one that was 5 months and one that was 4 months. Tuki (plumhead parakeet) came from a great breeder, great vet visit, ect. Rio (crimson bellied conure) came from a great breeder, but came with an ear infection, protein issues and he was only 4 months old. While I love both my boys, even experienced breeders can have problems with their babies. It has cost me over $500 just on Rio alone for his vet visits, antibiotics, ect. I believe that if you plan to breed, vet visits are imperative. Birds can hide illnesses and if you never take them and the parents spread an illness to a baby, then you could lose everyone. They are extremely important, with a price tag to match, but worth it. They do need yearly vaccinations and blood work after a year old. This forum is a second family to me and has taught me so much that I didn't know and now my birds are happy and healthy. Now, a few months ago a bird was posted in the rehome section because her family had decided to give her up after EIGHT years of being bonded to them. Never been to a vet, on an unhealthy diet and was never introduced to fruits, veggies, ect. After bringing her home and seeing the difference she has made in our lives, I don't ever plan to buy from a breeder again. This is not to insult breeders in any way, but I wanted to share her story and pictures with you so you could see what saving a life and giving a bird a second chance means. IMG_0436.PNG IMG_0682.JPG
The first photo is the first day her family left her. She didn't understand why the family she had been with for over 8 years could abandon her the way they did. The second photo is from less than a week ago. She looks content, happy and like she's smiling. THIS is what it looks like to save a life, to give meaning, to be happy. Although I love my boys, this little girl has given back so much love and compassion that I didn't believe possible from a bird. She's thankful, and I can tell. I know it. We have a bond that she shares with no one. She is my heart bird, and that's stronger than any bond you can build with a baby. I won't try and discourage you from breeding if that's what you want. But I wanted to share that saving a life is better than you could ever hope for from having a baby bird. Diego will be 10 years old in January and still has more years left. Everyone on this forum cares about each other and the fids we have all come to love. Their experiences and knowledge is more than you could ever gain from google. Pay attention and listen. Vet visits are important, but so is the life of one who has not been saved yet. Good luck and best wishes to whatever you decide to do. But take your time in deciding.
 

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I think deciding you will pull the eggs and feed from day 1 is a good indication that you should not try this without plenty more research and some serious backup from a very experienced breeder. I am in no way experienced and cannot offer any extra help over some of the wonderful people that do this as part of their everyday life but a few things spring to mind... Keeping formula for a new hatchling at precisely the correct temp for the duration of each feed (1 hour including prep and clean up), getting the perfect consistency of feed for a new born chick, keeping the chick at precisely the correct temp in the first weeks, and new chicks have ZERO immune system in place so you need to be clinical with cleanliness and what about probiotics to kick start digestive and immune response? Like I said this is just the first week before any problem may arise like slow crops or foreign body ingestion or air in the crop. All of which the parent birds have had millions of years of evolution to iron out these problems themselves before a human comes along with their huge clumsy dirty sausage fingers and says hey I know nothing yet but how hard can it be? Birds are tough right?
Thank you Barry, I knew there must be more to it about pulling eggs early and I will research it more. If 3 weeks is the earliest recommended time I will follow that advice. Feeding I admit I haven't looked into at all yet. There's no immediate rush to know absolutely everything as I have yet to buy my pair.

It's easy to walk around with blinders on only seeing what we want and ignoring anything else. It's only a good thing to the humans. That is how most humans "rationalize" their self indulgence to have and control another living being. The very reason the "pet industry" is what it is. It has nothing to do with what that bird (animal) wants or needs.
I understand and respect your position on the pet industry, I even agree with it in some ways. At least we can try our best to provide the best life for our pets.

Alshgs your newest fid is beautiful. Rescuing is a wonderful thing and I have looked at some parrot rescues in the UK, however they want you to make a yearly financial contribution to their place for the rest of your birds life! Plus not breed them. Only noticed a few green cheeked conures on their sites.
Maybe vet care for birds is different here but I never heard of anyone getting their parakeet vaccinations or yearly blood work.
 

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Vet bills? I don't know much about avian vets. I kept a few small parakeets years ago and never took them to the vet, (I trimmed nails myself) birds are quite hardy animals in general, maybe the bigger they are the less true that is and the more veterinary treatment they need?
But they don't cost like dogs and cats needing yearly vaccinations, preventative flea and worm treatments all year round, yearly check ups where they listen to the heart beat etc. Of course you can choose to do vet check ups but it isn't a necessity unless there's a problem I wouldn't waste money on that, seen a lot of people on this site saying the vets did nothing to help and the bird died anyway. You can research a lot of things yourself on how to diagnose and treat pets these days which I've done successfully before....obviously for minor things, I'm not talking about performing surgery yourself
If I was looking into buying a baby from a breeder and found out that breeder does not take their birds in for yearly vet visits, the babies have not been seen by a vet, or the babies do not come with a health guarantee I would not buy from that breeder. Yes you can look something up online but it's really an insult to the avian vets who spent years in school to just assume you can figure it all out yourself. More often than not you cannot and it is the birds who end up suffering. You may be emotionally affected but the birds are the ones who are suffering and may loose their lives.
 

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I understand things may be different over there, hopefully our other U.K. Members can help more. I do know that if I had never taken Rio to the vet, I would have never known about his double ear infection nor his protein issues that where thankfully fixed with meds and healthy food. It is definitely important to take them to the vet, especially since there are species that can be prone to certain diseases and illnesses more so than others
 

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Just thought I would add... My 2 cats and dog were cheaper to vet than my 4 birds. The blood work is what costs the most.
Also thought I would share... I recently got 2 ex breeder birds (as in they didn't workout as breeders and got put up as rehomes) (cockatiel and Quaker from separate people) these are not friendly birds. I'm trying very hard to earn there trust. Blue my male blue Quaker who is about 5 used to be a pet then someone bought him and tried to make him a breeder. He was successful as a breeder but once they realized he didn't have blue babies and he was kind of nasty they decided to make money by seperating him and his mate. The female was already sold to another breeder and I went there to pick up this lonely bird. This women threw a towel on him and put him in my carrier.. I paid for him and left and told him I'm taking him to a nice home. I am still working on him to not attack and bite me. He can be nice but is very unpredictable. I'm sure he was a great pet then went thru puberty and got nippy and was sold. He then had a rough time adjusting to no love on a back porch to make babies that would be taken away... I understand this and just want to make up for the wrong someone else did to him. I am determined to have patience and shower the love on him so he can just be a pet again.
 

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I'm not against breeding because I have 2 wonderful birds I bought as babies and they are very healthy and wonderfully tame :)
 

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No I don't have experience breeding birds but neither did anyone else when they first started, we all have to start somewhere, I'm educating myself on it before I do anything.

That is not true. People can mentor under the tutelage of an experienced breeder. Hand feeding is a skill that required hands-on experience. The best way to start is by hand-feeding older chicks that are nearing the self-feeding stage, while being guided by an expert in hand-feeding. A bird that is under one week old, is not skilled at controlling it's tongue and breathing. An infant bird at this age relies on it's parent (or hand-feeder) to guide the food down correctly. One small mistake and the chick will aspirate food and die within seconds.

Are you willing to kill baby birds as you search for the proper technique to hand feed them? Saying that, "no one has experience breeding birds until they do it". is just as stupid as saying,"no one has experience performing open-heart surgery until they do it". There are ways to train, study and assist in simple surgeries, rather than watching a YouTube video and picking up a scalpel.

I am not 100% against breeding, but I believe at this time in history there are too many parrots being breed and too many unwanted parrots compared to the number of qualified homes available. Those few people that do breed should only do so after they have taken classes like those required to be certified in the state of California. Breeders should also have to study under a qualified people before going out on there own.

If you really want to breed birds, I suggest you contact Jim and Katy McElroy at Hornbeam Aviary and tell them about your plans on breeding green cheeked conures. Another breeder that takes their profession seriously is Hand-Fed Baby Parrots for sale,bird breeders,baby african grey,cockatoos,yellow nape amazons,baby macaws
 

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If I was looking into buying a baby from a breeder and found out that breeder does not take their birds in for yearly vet visits, the babies have not been seen by a vet, or the babies do not come with a health guarantee I would not buy from that breeder. Yes you can look something up online but it's really an insult to the avian vets who spent years in school to just assume you can figure it all out yourself. More often than not you cannot and it is the birds who end up suffering. You may be emotionally affected but the birds are the ones who are suffering and may loose their lives.
This. I think it is unethical for a breeder not to vet-check their birds, and breeders who don't have no business breeding (or to own birds, for that matter). One of my biggest pet peeves is hearing people say that birds don't need to be vet-checked.
 

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Yes I do realize the issue of tame pet birds becoming aggressive once breeders, but I'm aware some do go back to being tame pets after breeding season is over. If not, I will have an aviary outside for them. This would be hard losing them as pets, but if I go into it knowing this is very likely to happen if I breed them, and possibly also plan to keep one of their babies as my tame pet bird, that should help prepare me for it.
I don't think I would risk buying a 'proven pair' it seems too risky and suspicious for why they are being sold in the first place like there is a problem with them. Then I could be stuck with 2 birds which are neither tame pets or breeders :omg:
Aren't birds like most other animals regarding being siblings and mating, where it doesn't matter to them? Of course my pair will not be siblings, I plan on buying them as babies from different breeders, but I mean even if they see each other as siblings which you suggested, will they not still breed?
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Vet bills? I don't know much about avian vets. I kept a few small parakeets years ago and never took them to the vet, (I trimmed nails myself) birds are quite hardy animals in general, maybe the bigger they are the less true that is and the more veterinary treatment they need?
But they don't cost like dogs and cats needing yearly vaccinations, preventative flea and worm treatments all year round, yearly check ups where they listen to the heart beat etc. Of course you can choose to do vet check ups but it isn't a necessity unless there's a problem I wouldn't waste money on that, seen a lot of people on this site saying the vets did nothing to help and the bird died anyway. You can research a lot of things yourself on how to diagnose and treat pets these days which I've done successfully before....obviously for minor things, I'm not talking about performing surgery yourself :lol:

No I don't have experience breeding birds but neither did anyone else when they first started, we all have to start somewhere, I'm educating myself on it before I do anything.

I know a bit about the 2, 3, 4 hourly feedings for chicks and I am able to devote that time to them as I'm a house wife so can mostly make up my own schedule.

The emotional cost is weighing heaviest on my mind right now. Seeing the babies not make it, even though it's natural for some not to, and if they do -having to give them away after all the time and care you have put into them. I don't think trying to see them as not mine from the very start and trying to detach myself from them would work after all the time spent together. I'm sorry for the sad experiences of some posters here, thank you for that insight it was hard to read, poor babies and parronts :sorrow:

For those who asked, my chosen bird is the green cheeked conure.

I'm not against breeding at all, so long as it's done responsibly. I'm more of the opinion that we need more good, caring, small-scale breeders and a lot less of the big commercial scale breeders that tend to supply many of the larger pet stores.

But breeding responsibly does mean breeding to try to improve the health and temperament, not just breeding two birds that look healthy. Some people here, even very caring owners, don't take their birds in for checkups because they don't like to cause them stress or worry about them picking something up in the waiting room with other birds. There can be some valid reasons to not take a healthy-looking pet bird to the vet. But it is different for breeding birds - they really do need to see the vet for checkups before you breed them because you don't want to take the extra risk of them having an illness or hereditary condition they could pass to their chicks.
Vet checkups are not necessarily that expensive - a checkup once a year, bloodwork every other year, is about all that is required if there are no problems. But, at least around here, a checkup with bloodwork costs more than what a baby GCC would normally sell for. Most breeders seem to only vet the parents and not the babies - and that's ok if you can ensure that the new owners get their babies in for a checkup right after bringing them home. A health guarantee is good for that.

As for whether your birds can be pets and breeders - GCC's are a species that may stay tame when breeding if you have a good relationship with the parents. Pairs that do stay tame are also the best to breed from, in terms of breeding for a less aggressive personality. But it's not something you can count on and even a pair that is sweet and tame most of the year can become very fiercly protective of their nest when breeding. Occasionally pairs will stay tame enough to allow coparenting (where you let the parents feed the babies but handle them several times a day so they become tame).

It's best for everyone involved if the babies are kept with their parents for 2-3 weeks (or longer if you can handle them in the nextbox); by then they are easier to care for and can easily go the night without feeding. But not all pairs make good parents, so you do need to be prepared for feeding younger babies. And like others have said, feeding very small babies is not something you can just learn from books or videos - you should try to visit some experiences handfeeders who can show you what to do.

Here's an interesting article on raising crimson-belly conures, which are fairly similar to greencheeks. It has some good info, especially on socializing of babies, which is very important. Raising Crimson belly conures .
 

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Here is an unexpected form of heart-break when it comes to breeding birds

Royal Bird Company said:
MISTAKE OF A LIFETIME ...Ya Can't Fix Stupid
<ed, the abbreviated form>

Our biggest mistake is now called our mistake of a life time We have been professional breeders for over 30 years.

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I quickly said that we would sell him a bird but we were sold out of the yellow napes. I told him that we did have a few greys that were not spoken for and they are almost ready to leave, if he was interested in one of those we would be happy to help him if he was serious and ready. he wanted new pictures, which we did take new pictures of these very sweet babies that were around 16 weeks old. We emailed the pictures to his email address that same night.

He called the next day and said yes, they wanted one, they picked one out from the pictures

<snip>

He started asking me how soon can they take the bird outside. and questions about about bathing the baby when he got it home, I quickly stated PLEASE do not start taking a new bird outside, we do clip some feathers only to keep SOME control while its a baby but is no way should one EVER trust a bird outside just because the feathers have been clipped , its never safe no matter how well you think the wings are trimmed, ITS NEVER SAFE, and also do not start wetting this new bird soon as you get it, we are shipping it to you. it will need some time to settle in and plus its a baby(16 weeks old) it could get chilled, just give the bird some time and let it adjust to you and the home and your routines, please give it some time. he said he was going to bath it anyway, I quickly said firmly, PLEASE do not,,,do not ...do that, I was satisfied that I had made myself clear and he understood, I thought he did anyway.

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I told him "We do sell a bird harness that you would need to put on the bird before taking it outside" Well.. Well. Well..We indeed shipped a harness along with the other items he purchased, they were sent a few days before the bird arrived, So the FOOD, THE HARNESS, and The instruction sheet was there long before the bird arrived...

Now for the bad part.

The bird arrived on Sunday afternoon safe and sound, We made contact with the customer later that night, He said that all was well and the bird let everyone play with it and it was resting in its cage and seemed to be doing very well, they like it and was happy, I said we would talk again in a couple days to see how things was going,

WELL, somewhere around 2-3 Pm our time on the next day, Monday, we get this frantic call from them, Yelling that their bird flew away outside, What are you talking about? I said loudly,,,He then said " Our bird flew away", How did it get outside? I say, He says.."We bathed it and took it outside in the sun"

DID YOU GET THAT PART? Did Your Heart Just Sink??

they Bathed it, Then they took it outside..No harness or anything.. just took it outside and sit down and it sit there for awhile and it got scared and started to flap away down into some trees in the woods.

Why did you take it out side I said, The guy screams on the phone,,,WHY NOT?? Its my bird..I can do what i want..he says..

I am thinking, Stupid, Stupid Stupid. I was like you have to be kidding, after all we talked about, after i sent a harness......I was speechless, I mean what can you say to someone like that?

They said they was going to look for him, I hung up the phone.

I got another phone call later that evening from him, saying they had looked a few hours and could not find him. I was distraught, I mean I raised that bird for from the egg and for 16 weeks and then this happen because someone just plain refused to listen to what I said. I just did not know how much the man or the woman (his wife) didn't listen until she got on the phone, She started out by saying we sold her a bird that could fly, Imagine that...A bird that can fly......

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I said.. I loved that baby, from the egg till you got it we care for them and now because you do what you want to..you took it outside its gone, You did everything I told you NOT to do, You would not do anything I told you to do. You knew it all and now look what has happened.
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For the un-abbreviated story click below.

MISTAKE OF A LIFETIME ...Ya Can't Fix Stupid


 

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Here is an unexpected form of heart-break when it comes to breeding birds



For the un-abbreviated story click below.

MISTAKE OF A LIFETIME ...Ya Can't Fix Stupid

I've seen that kind of stupid. It happens frequently. I just don't sell to people like that. I learned early on that if I think a person might be stupid like that, its probably because they really are that stupid. The world is full of all kinds of people. Some good owners, lots of okay owners and a few bad. Sometimes it seems like only the bad are interested in a bird. Then I realize that there are lots of good owners out there that just aren't interested in a baby because they've had a bird for a really long time and its going well for them. I generally don't hear from those satisfied bird owners.
 

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I've seen that kind of stupid. It happens frequently. I just don't sell to people like that. I learned early on that if I think a person might be stupid...
Ack!!!! I wish I'd read this ten days ago! I sold 4 gouldians to someone, younger than I normally ship, and now one is sick. Every suggestion I make (why do they keep asking if they dont want the advice???) they reject it, or say ok but don't do it. Dont want to treat, taking to vet is out of the question, don't want to talk to other experts I suggested, order medicine...

Do you have ACV on hand? No, where would I get it

It sounds like maybe yeast, is it whitish at the lower belly? I don't know

Perhaps it is just colder up there, I keep my house 77, what is your temp? I am running my heat

Can you send me a photo? (No response)

And on and on. New rules!!!! No selling to stupid.
 

melissasparrots

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I started a policy a few years ago. All birds go to new homes with a gram scale. If they want to argue over the gram scale, they can either show me that they already have a suitable one, or they just can't get the bird. If they try to tell me they've had birds for the last 30 years and have never had a gram scale, then they still can't get the bird. Its hard to argue with the number on the scale. If that number keeps going down after the second day they've had the bird, they need to either return it to me or take to vet. Obviously if the number keeps going lower, the bird isn't eating. They can't tell me they see it eating, they think its eating enough when it keeps losing weight. Duh. And I clip all birds prior to sale. It just helps prevent problems related to stupid. They are also still given a lecture that taking it outside even clipped is a risk. People will absolutely walk out the door with the bird on their arm right after paying for it if allowed. BTW, I sell species that generally handle being clipped well. If I bred cockatoos, african greys or maybe macaws, I'd consider changing that policy.
 

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I understand things may be different over there, hopefully our other U.K. Members can help more. I do know that if I had never taken Rio to the vet, I would have never known about his double ear infection nor his protein issues that where thankfully fixed with meds and healthy food. It is definitely important to take them to the vet, especially since there are species that can be prone to certain diseases and illnesses more so than others
That would be very helpful if any U.K breeders can inform me about avian vet care here and what is necessary vs what isn't. I don't plan on taking a bird to the vet unless there is an actual problem. From all the ads I've read from breeders selling birds over here, none say they have been vet checked like a puppy usually would be. Some say they provide a hatch certificate and advice sheet plus the leg ring, so maybe it's different here.

I can't ignore all the opinions against breeding and especially about getting hand rearing experience first if possible, so for now I will focus on getting to know the bird breed better, bird health, dietary requirements, parrot behaviour and trying to find the right first bird of my pair to get. I won't be rushing into anything.
 

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That would be very helpful if any U.K breeders can inform me about avian vet care here and what is necessary vs what isn't. I don't plan on taking a bird to the vet unless there is an actual problem. From all the ads I've read from breeders selling birds over here, none say they have been vet checked like a puppy usually would be. Some say they provide a hatch certificate and advice sheet plus the leg ring, so maybe it's different here.

I can't ignore all the opinions against breeding and especially about getting hand rearing experience first if possible, so for now I will focus on getting to know the bird breed better, bird health, dietary requirements, parrot behaviour and trying to find the right first bird of my pair to get. I won't be rushing into anything.
I think you're taking every possible route to insure the health and well being of the birds. I know I don't have any experience but I wish you the best of luck as I would never have the time or patience to do it :)
 
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