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Hi,

My uncle passed away last year and we decided to adopt his blue fronted Amazon parrot (he's six years old in June). My husband and I have no experience with parrots or birds of any kind, so it has been an interesting experience.

When he first arrived, he could not be touched/handled at all and ate a seed only diet. Shortly after he arrived he started displaying odd behaviour. Every week or so for about five minutes he would become disoriented. His beak would open and one of his eyes would close. He would rock his head back and forth as if light headed, but remained perched and there was no convulsing of any kind. Initially, I phoned a local vet who advised it was probably behavioural rather than illness related as the bird would snap out of it and go back to his normal (vocal) self.

Since then, I have converted him to a pellet diet and he has come along way with his aggressive behaviour. He will now let me scratch his head and he comes out of his cage often, without biting. That being said, he is not wholly tame and dislikes strangers. Over the past ten months, the odd behaviour in terms of his 'ill moments' have been sporadic, at times he would have a funny turn every couple of days, then he would go three or four weeks without an event. Recently, the behaviour has become a little weirder. Now, when he has a turn his beak is open, one eye is wide and one closed, he lifts one foot and holds it mid air and doesn't respond to anything. He is completely disoriented during this time and cannot focus. He has at times tried to reach something with his foot during these moments but he loses foot-eye coordination. These moments last 5-7 minutes and afterwards he is singing, dancing, whistling, eating fine.

He hasn't lost any weight, poop is fine and behaviour otherwise is normal. I have no idea what's wrong, he doesn't seem to be having a seizure as he doesn't really move when he has a turn, never mind twitching etc.

Please help, I've become so attached to him and I don't know what it could be.
 

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If you are concerned, take him to the vet.
 

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I have spoken at length with a vet who told me it's probably behavioural. My parrot cannot be handled outside of his cage and I don't want to distress him/ruin the trust between us by making the journey to the vets if they just say it's behavioural again
 

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I have spoken at length with a vet who told me it's probably behavioural. My parrot cannot be handled outside of his cage and I don't want to distress him/ruin the trust between us by making the journey to the vets if they just say it's behavioural again
For his own well being, you may have to deal with an angry bird for a while. Essentially, his life depends on this very decision. He'll get over it. My bird was mad at me the first time I took him to the vet, six days after I got him, but it was for his own good.
 

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He needs to see a specialist avian vet. Most vets have very little experience with birds, so you'll need to identify a vet who either has extensive experience with parrots or has additional veterinary qualifications in exotic medicine. Without having seen the behaviour, I'm unconvinced it's solely a behavioural quirk.
 

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It was an avian vet that I spoke to, he's the only one within a few hours from my home, I believe. I'm just really confused by his behaviour, I worry that the vet will just tell me he can't diagnose him without seeing him having a turn, which is what he roundabout told me when we spoke last year.
 

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It was an avian vet that I spoke to, he's the only one within a few hours from my home, I believe. I'm just really confused by his behaviour, I worry that the vet will just tell me he can't diagnose him without seeing him having a turn, which is what he roundabout told me when we spoke last year.
Has your bird had any bloodwork done? That could potentially be the bridge to find out what's wrong with him?
 

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Yeah, I'd be interested in getting full bloods, faecal tests etc.

Can you record his behaviour, perhaps on a smartphone camera?
 

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He appears to have a terrible phobia of phones. I tried to take a video during one of his moments once and he tried to move away but nearly fell as he was so disoriented. It's a difficult situation. Do you think they could be seizures? Or would he be jolting and convulsing if they were seizures?
 

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If I were you tomorrow, I would just go to the vets, tell them its an emergency. Insist on the tests , bloodwork, gram stain, etc. It doesn't sound like a behavior issue. Can you take a pic when he has 'mood' to show the vet?
 

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Is there any way you can set up a surveillance camera in the room that records all of the time so that next time it happens you'll have a video for the vet?
You can get them pretty cheap nowadays. I got this one from Amazon Amcrest UltraHD 2K (3MP/2304TVL)... Amazon.com : Amcrest UltraHD 2K WiFi Camera 3MP (2304TVL) Dualband 5ghz / 2.4ghz Indoor Pan/Tilt Surveillance Wireless IP Camera, Home Video Security System with IR Night Vision, Two-Way Talk IP3M-941B (Black) : Camera & Photo

I hope you can figure it out soon and that it's nothing too serious
 

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Hmm...can you set up a webcam or something? Maybe a tablet and leave it long enough for him to get used to it?

Unfortunately I know very little about seizures in birds. If he were a mammal, I'd wonder if he was having petit mal seizures, sometimes known as absence seizures. These are characterised by spaciness, disorientation, sometimes floppiness which sound like a better fit with what you describe.
 

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If I were to guess what is going on with your bird, I would guess they are seizures. Seizures can be caused by many things and most of those things are an illness - liver problems, circulatory problems, low sugar issues. If he was on a seed diet for six years, he may very well have liver problems. There is also the possibility of a TBI caused by clotting.

Your bird needs desperately to go to the vet. There is nothing we or you can do for a seizure without a vet giving us guidance. If it were your child and you felt he was sick would you not take him to the doctor just because he threw a fit - same for your bird. Believe me he will get over his mad.

I know you care deeply for your Amazon, but he has to go to the doctor.
 

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Please help, I've become so attached to him and I don't know what it could be.
I came by my two blue front amazons with no experience either. Instant love within 2 hours on my part.

First, seek an avian certified vet. You love this feathered dude and he deserves adequate medical care. Avian vets KNOW MORE and that's important. Birds have unique and marvelous bodies. They don't have much blood so it's important to have someone skilled at drawing this. I like someone skilled when it comes time for a nurse to take MY blood!

I took my amazons to the vet when I first got them. They had basic blood tests, were weighed (critical importance) and had a physical exam. They go yearly now and frankly, it doesn't seem to be as stressful to them as it is to me!

Do you have a travel cage yet? You should get him used to one. Let him play on it. Make it a good experience, give a favorite treat. I'm using almond slivers now (that we cook with, found in baking aisle, no salt). Secret has medical issues so she is now on a low fat diet. Your amazon needs to be able to get in that at a moment's notice anyway in the future. Emergencies happen.

I also got a DNA test done on my two. It takes a while for that to come back and I wanted to know if I needed to worry about eggs somewhere in the future. Mine are both boys (but Secret was smaller so I'm stuck thinking of that bird as a girl).

I value the advice of the forum folks. @Macawnutz and @Hankmacaw have helped me get Secret adequate care. We're there for you.
 

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It sounds to me like he needs a vet. Amazons are resilient when it comes to forgiving one time things like being shoved into a carrier and taken to a vet. If he were mine, I'd request a blood chemistry, culture and sensitivity, cbc and maybe an x-ray. Birds are difficult. Sometimes its a shot in the dark and you do the lab work because you have nothing else to go on. Really, most birds should go to the vet for blood work every year or few years anyway. So, behavior vs. illness is irrelevant. He's due for a vet check. Make sure it's a vet that sees birds as a large part of their clientele. Not just someone that is willing to see a bird.
 

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Thanks for all your replies. I'm going to phone a vet this morning. Any advice on how to transport him?
 

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I have a travel cage for mine. How did you bring him home?
 

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We hired a van and brought him in his cage. Just a quick question - does he need to be put under anaesthetic to take blood?

Thanks
 
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