I just have a quick question for anyone who knows anything about this. I am getting a new camera soon, I am pretty sure that I will be getting the Nikon d3000 . The cheapest place that I could find to buy it new was amazon.com for $450. Then I found this website that has it refurbished with the kit lens for $390: here. It says that it is used but you have to email them to find out the condition, I did and they said it has been refurbished to factory standards, or something like that.. I know this website is good. I found other places to buy it refurbished without the kit lens but I want the kit lens, because it seems like a good starter lens, even if it isn't very good quality. I don't know very much about photography but I am trying to learn. I am just wondering if you guys think that it would be better to get the new one or get the refurbished one for $60 less?