Jinka is ILL

[Artistic Feathers]

Is there more I can do? Is there something I am not doing?
I am super phobic about being clean and making sure everyone is clean. I just do not understand this...

bumped this up...sry
the reply to is on the previous page to the post before
I appreciate all and any input on this. Thank you all AA!

 

[suncoast]

You are making a super human effort. Can you please summerize what the vet has told you about Jinka. Her stomach is distended with air and what else is going on with her? When did you get her?

Ginger

 

[Red Jasper]

Sorry i am typing this from my fon and im really bad at is so forgive me. U are doing an amazing job. Is it possible to change her formula and add some Pretty Bird probiotic to it when u feed her to aid in the digestive issues? I am not exactly sure what i read but didnt someone post something about a kaytee issue?

I know of a bird that once had her entire gi tract clogged up due to ingesting pieces of a paper toy. It took special enzymes to break down the mass and help her pass it thru. Has jinka been pooping regularly? Some healx pal oil or a bird safe oil in her formula might help her pass any items she may have swallowed. Or are stomach ulcers possible in birds?

Am not trying to add to the confusion just brainstorming. I do believe that the issue with the tiels isprobably separate than jinka's but u know that these things happen all at once sometimes.

Again sorry for the typing and sending blessings to u all.

 

[Artistic Feathers]

Just wanted to give you a quick update with the lead test results done on tiel criagslist cage and another one from craigslist just to be safe. Both NEGATIVE FOR LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!

Also thank you Ginger and Elizabeth...
I will answer your posts when I get off from work and get everything sorted out so I can let you know exactly what is going on with Jinka.

 

[Artistic Feathers]

The vet says it is something i must be doing to have my birds sick. Seriously idk why anyone would say that!? He told me no one has this much bad luck...who says that to their client? Why did it take him so long to find out what was going on and he still dosent know? I am telling him and doing eeverythinghumanly possible... I am so upset, fustrated and disgusted right now...I don't know where to begin.

 

[Red Jasper]

Ok, deep breath.

How is Jinka doing? Is she home with you now or still at the vet's?

Is there a way you can take her to another vet that is avian certified? You mentioned the vets you are seeing are not avian specialists and that may be why they are having a difficult time diagnosing Jinka.

Since she is so little and young I'm worried about how much more she can take. Please let us know what her status is.

My suggestion is to isolate the two sick cockatiels and get them on an antibiotic like baytril or bactrim after they see an avian vet.

Take Jinka along with all test results and xrays to the avian vet and focus on the fact that her tummy is distended shows she either has swallowed something or caught a bug. Usually, the procedure for passing things through is to give them barium and observe every 5min, 10min, 30min, 1hr but I highly suggest the avian vet does this because they'll know what to look for as far as abnormalities go. There are digestive enzymes available at health food stores to help digest difficult items that may not be passing through. Use these under the guidance of the avian vet if there is an obstruction in Jinka's system. Is she pooping regularly?

That you are being chastised by your vet is unacceptable. They are there to help and provide guidance. It's not like you have sick birds in every week and keep them in filthy conditions. And take it from someone who has been there -- yes, these things do happen all at once sometimes just like with my Daisy who has not been even remotely ill for 5 years then all in the same month he developed pneumonia and respiratory problems and almost died then the following month almost bled to death from a freak accident involving a feather shaft getting stuck in his wing.

Keep your chin up and do what's best for Jinka right now. Please let us know what her status is.

 

[Artistic Feathers]

Where to begin...
Jinka is home. Jinka is eating.
Not her normal spunky self yet but that will take time.

She was supposed to come home last night.
He did not release her to me.
No reason why except that he was going to do a blood test.
I go to pick her up today and he says that it has to be something I am doing. AND THAT NOBODY HAS THAT MUCH BAD LUCK. !?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?
I just laughed and said "Excuse me, I am sorry jinka got sick, I hit a deer monday, the cockatiels randomly picked something up, and my mom got rear ended about an hour ago." Now what do you call that. I call it bad luck.

...You know I am sorry one of my birds, actually my boyfriends, died last year of liver disease it was out of my hands. I am sorry one of my birds ran into a wall with clipped wings. I am sorry the vet killed my bird in august. What the heck!?!??!?!?!? I didn't cause any of this. I haven't changed anything. Nothing new in the environment except the new conure.

The vet tech asked me "are you going to stop collecting birds now?" What the heck does that mean?!
I told her I am not a "collector((hoarder))." All my birds have been tested one place or another. I have three vets I use and I do not see the issue with that. One in baltimore one in fairfax and the westminster one is just convenient. Well, I have had the worst experience for connivence even though they are avian certified. Moreover, you know I actually reported a few people who don't take care of their birds?! One of which I am still having issues with. I have rescues, I work with a rescue, I want to start rehabilitating. I also volunteer at this rescue. HOW COULD ANYONE SAY I DON'T TAKE CARE OF MY BIRDS!?!?

I will go any length for my birds, cost is no matter. I love them they are my fids! I am not trying to bash the place but my experience in westminster has been horrible. I should have listened to my gut instinct and go to Fairfax, Va. Sorry for the rant but seriously...

SERIOUSLY!?

The vet in Westminster is Avian Certified; so is his partner.
With my experience there neither of them talk to one another or they skim each others messy notes on the file? I get different stories from each one...
Nobody seems to know what is going on.
THEN, THENNNN, I was told it could be citicossis?!?!? AND THAT THEY NEVER TESTED FOR THAT YET?!
I told them in the very beginning she had never been seen and to test her. He told me I said they had been seen. I SAID NOOOOOOOOOOO, my other birds have, she has not. He argued with me about the notes in the file. I then said did you test for it? No. Why not? I told you she had never been seen before. WHAT THE HECK!?!??!?!?!? Then he said that I had said that the breeder I got Jinka from had issues before. True, I told them she had a cockatiel death or a parolette death. BUT NO OUTBREAKS OF ANYTHING IN 16yrs. Of course I don't know the lady that well but still. WHAT THE HECK AGAIN!!!!???!?!?

SOoooooSOOoooooSooooooo Soooooo STreSSEd...

 

[southernbirds]

Your Vet must not be personality matched to you. I had a Vet refer to my (at the time) semi paralyzed dog as "damaged goods". I changed vets for that reason and also because I did not think he was affording her the best medical regimen. So if you get an attitude remember, they are providing a service and that does not include insults from the staff either regarding your so called "collecting." What does your Mom think about this? Maybe you just need to get the birds well and then start looking around for a new doctor if you two cannot connect. Hope things quiet down and the rest of your weekend is good.

 

[Lovebird57]

I had the same problem with my foot doctor. Why don't they take the time to read a chart properly or make timely notes so that chart is accurate? I am praying for you and little Jinka. I would never go back to the vet again.

 

[suncoast]

Okay, you need to be an avocate for Jinka. Is there another avian vet you can take her and the Tiels too? If not, he's your only option for treatment. So do not get caught up in negativity.

Keep your focus on the bird and the illness and make the vet and techs do that also. Do not fall into the trap of playing the blame game. He is trying to deflect the fact that he dropped the ball. Do not let them do it. Keep the focus on him trying to solve the problem not become the problem.

As for the breeder, no breeder is going to tell you they have had an illness in their flock. Just because she says there wasn't, doesn't mean it's true. If it is pttsicosis then she needs to be notified and reported to the health department.

I have included a link to the gastro section of Avian Medicine Principles and Applications... it's pretty graphic and somewhat technical but if you read through it you might find something you recognize about Jinka.

Ginger

http://www.avianmedicine.net/ampa/19.pdf

 

[Anne & Gang]

i AGREE, if you cannot get another vet, then do not fall into a trap of playing the blame game...say simply, let us focus on the birds please....if the vet does not want to release Jinka to you, just simply say, I am taking my birds to another vet for another opinion...be firm and get yo ur birds.

 

[Jally]

Jenn, Is there something that I can do? I saw you with your birds, well with Ra. You are so good with him. Very attentive to his needs. Please, don't let this person make you feel as if you are any less. You are an excellent fidmomma. We all have had bad luck. Gosh, look at me; I've had a budgie get attacked by a lovebird and had his upper beak bit off, Joey got attacked by my daughter's cat, then he got bit on the leg by my dusky conure, then he escaped, and then Beanie passed, and lastly Kiwi got a yeast infection.

When a person has as many birds as we do, we run the risk of having numerous illnesses and accidents. Doesn't mean that we are bad parronts, it just means that we are very in tune with our birds' health. Accidents happen to everyone. But what happens after the accident is what matters. Do we just pass it off or do we learn from it? Do we ignore the illness or do we take the bird to the vet to get the best possible treatment?

My vet isn't a certified avian vet, but she is an accredited avian vet. She's awesome! She was able to safely put Dusty under anesthesia to remove a string that was wrapped and inbedded in his foot. She's always been there when I needed her. If you'd like, I can make an appointment with her for Jinka and Jinka can stay with me so you don't have to run back and forth.

I think about you guys all the time. You were there for me when I needed someone

 

[Artistic Feathers]

Pat, she isn't even a year. Shes about 7 months.

Sherry, Ty ty ty. I appreciate it. Maybe we should look into that option but I don't want your flock to be affected. So maybe it's best not to...

They keep putting her on Nystatin and the side effects are definitely affecting her. Whenever I give it to her she vomits and doesn't want to eat. I have told them this several times...


Nystatin-

All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Nystatin:

Diarrhea; mouth irritation; nausea; upset stomach; vomiting.

"Nystatin is not well absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract. This anti-fungal agent should not be used indiscriminately or as a preventative. Candida may become resistant to Nystatin from continued use, from inadequate or improper dosing regimens. Do not assume that a bird treated with nystatin will be free of Candida. Some resistant yeasts require antifungals other than Nystatin."-avian web.com

OH AND THE TIELS ARE DOING BETTER!!!!!
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[suncoast]

Then stop giving it to her. You need to use your own intuition and you know her best. You need to be her advocate. There have been many threads here about vets who have not prescribed the right drug, the right amount of the drug, etc. Did you see the test with your own eyes that she has fungus? What test did they do?

Ginger

 

[birdlvr466]

I'm sorry but your vet sounds like an idiot, to put it bluntly. Get your bird out of there, out of his care and find another vet. I agree with Ginger, things dont seem right with that med and I wouldnt keep giving it if it were me. You need another opinion and if they wont release your records, which I dont think they can do, then explain as best you can what has transpired. This makes me furious that this vet is jerking you around and speaking to you this way.

 

[Artistic Feathers]

Ginger, Pat,

I did stop giving it to her on Sunday... Believe me I don't want her to barf and not eat. I want her to eat everything she can since you can feel her breast bone even though she is up to 100g there is not any muscle tone. And there wouldn't be because she's been in a tank for more than a month...And I had a feeling that was the issue the entire time. HE said he was testing for chlamydia and fungus because that is the only thing that points to infection. Those tests were taken either friday night or saturday and the results still aren't in?!?!?! Oh and big surprise. He told me to take her off the nystatin. I highly doubt she has either...I still think it is a result of something she ate and wasn't digested...Like a bird toy?

A second opinon will be happening. I will keep you updated. Thank you all for your support. Please continue to think of us

 

[birdlvr466]

Jenn, maybe Billie Faye could weigh in on this but what about if she is off the meds giving her Aloe Detox? Also Avitech makes a product made for sick birds recovering from illness called AviGain. It is a powder you can make into a formula or sprinkle of foods, maybe that would be beneficial to get some nutrition in and some weight on. Poor baby, yes please keep us updated and RUN from that vet.

 

[Artistic Feathers]

Just wanted to write a quick update-
Vet called last night.
Vet said Jinka and cockatiels do not have cbc or infection.
BIG SURPRISE?

Going to call to confirm a little later.
OH yea, and they wanted to see my birds five days later...
But they can't?

Not that I want them to...

Please continue to keep us in your thoughts.
Jinka is eating and no barfing!!!!!

 

[April]

Any updates on Jinka and the Tiels?

 

[MBS]

I really hope you get things sorted out with this vet and that your Jinka will get healthy again.