Ionizers in Air Purifiers

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  1. Red Jasper

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    Hello --

    I remember reading somewhere that the ionizer feature in air purifiers can actually be dangerous and harmful to respiratory systems. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
     
  2. saroj12

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    Elizabeth I *just* ordered one with an ionizer an hour ago so I ran off to look when you mentioned it might be bad

    What Does An Air Purifier's Ionizer Do?

    this seems okay.
    Is it perhaps ozone you are concerned about?
     
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    I have never trusted ionizers... I know that a lot of purifiers now have ionizers that you can turn off, but I don't want them there at all.
     
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    Saroj yours doesnt have an ionizer, it has a negative ionizer, which is something different. Not to get off topic but you can turn that feature off also.
    I used to have Sonic Breeze purifiers for years and never had any problems with my birds. However in light of differing information, I dont use them anymore and have a Rabbit Air which has the negative ion feature but is supposed to have zero ozone emissions.
     
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    ok you are right-- i just got off the phone with rabbitair.
    Poor girl has to deal with my worries about air purifiers catching on fire and ionizers and such :eek::lol:
    She is very patient and kind though :D
    p.s. on my -A2 you can't turn off the ion generator.
     
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    that's good to know - that they are patient

    (she just has no idea how many questions she has sidestepped with your call :lol:)


    it is my understanding that the 'negative ion generator' is different from the 'ionizer' which creates ozone, which is harmful

    Is there a particular air purifier that you are looking at or wondering about, Elizabeth? we might can help you better that way
     
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    Yes GG you are correct. No worries Saroj I think the Rabbit people know how crazy us bird people are. Saemma called them back too. :D I think they should put a big banner on their website about this. :)
     
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    I actually already have one big Holmes one and one small Holmes one that I have been using with the "Ionizer" feature turned off but I wanted to substantiate my fears of this because I don't want to sound like one of those people who go, "OH! I heard that's bad!" and when asked why I have no information to back it up! LOL! "Um..... just because?" :lol:
     
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    Here is a site I have found just now...



    Ionizing Air Cleaners Can Cause Problems

    "Experts agree that an ozone concentration of more than 80 ppb for eight hours or longer can cause coughing, wheezing, and chest pain while worsening asthma and deadening sense of smell."

    Hmm.. it makes sense.
    Sorry, I guess I answered my own question!
     
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    yes :D
    it very clearly states though on some page that it produces negative ions but NO ozone. Ozone is the bad guy!
    Waterfalls produce negative ions!:)
     
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    Ohhhh something else they need to put on their website..what a pretty picture that conjures up! :hehe:
     
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    To update for other searches, the EPA has printed a factual informative article on the safety of ozone generators as air purifiers. Short and to the point, very little actual benefit and high risk of injury to humans, can only imagine effect on birds. Ionizer positive or negative isn't harmful and may offer slight benefit. Here is the URL: Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners | Indoor Air | US EPA
     
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    so whats the safest while not breaking the wallet?
     
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    I'm currently using a couple Honeywell ones I got at Target.
    A tall one in the bird area and one in the master bedroom.
    They have the option of switching the ionizer on or off.
    Most of them aren't that expensive, really.
     
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    EPA also says that the coating of non stick pans won't hurt humans either but we know what it does to bird!!!
    I won't buy air purifiers with the ionizer built in...:hug8:
     
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    This is a great posting! Bumping this up for all our new members :)
     
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    Funny, I was just looking into this again recently as my Rabbit Air has a negative ion generator. According to the Rabbit Air site,

    "All of our air purifiers have been tested to comply within the ozone safety requirements set forth by California Air Resources Board. Our BioGS model emits zero ozone when the negative ion generator is on or off and our MinusA2 emits zero ozone on all speeds once you have turned off the Negative Ion Generator. An amount of 0.002 ppm (parts-per-million) was recorded at low fan speed of our MinusA2 with the negative ionizer turned on. That is 25 times less than the 0.05 ppm maximum ozone concentration safety standard set forth by the California Air Resources Board." from http://www.rabbitair.com/faq.aspx

    They have quite a few articles on their site regarding both negative ions and ozone:

    http://www.rabbitair.com/negative-ions-are-effective.aspx

    http://www.rabbitair.com/negative-ions-create-positive-vibes.aspx

    http://www.rabbitair.com/air-purifiers-that-produce-ozone-may-be-hurting-your-health.aspx

    "There are plenty of ionic air purifiers; only a small fraction make ozone," Nizkorodov says.

    I am comfortable using the negative ion generator on my Rabbit Air. :)
     
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    But, still relevant. I personally think it is best to add on to an existing thread to add new information where possible than start a new one and have to restate all the same info. Some of these old threads are worth resurrecting!
     
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