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Hand Rearing Qs

Discussion in 'Softbill Circle' started by TehLizardKing, 4/16/17.

  1. TehLizardKing

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    Hey y'all!

    Yesterday, while on a family outing, my dad pulled into the side of the curb and yelled 'bird out', which is our signal for a bird on the road that needs grabbing. Thankfully the road was clear, so I went and grabbed what I thought to be a small adult bird that had been stunned, but it was in fact a fledgeling robin being blown around by the wind. There was no nest in sight, not even any foliage, so I set him down atop a wall and was feeling very bad, but restrained myself because obviously mum and dad robin are gonna be better at looking after their own child than I am. However, once set on the wall, it couldn't support itself on one leg... it just fell to the ground, but otherwise looked bright eyed and healthy nonetheless. In the end we decided to take him back with us, because we use to live in the area so I know how many cats are about, it was raining and there was no cover at all to leave him in, plus my dad had to be back home quickly...

    So now I've got a baby robin to care for! He's too old to want to gape for me, but after two feeds he stopped resisting when I gently open his beak, and is eating with relish. I've hand reared many, many birds before, so I know the ropes, but only parrots and doves, so an insectivore is new to me. I'm managing fine, but I just wondered to know if anyone has had a similar experience, or just hand-raised other softbills that have similar needs.

    I originally tried a mix of two parts mashed dog kibble, one part kaytee hand rearing mix, and 1/8 part nutrobal vitamin and mineral powder... however he wouldn't even let me get that in his beak, and the amount of manipulating it took, I was worried he'd aspirate because he's used to being fed on whole insects and berries. So now he's being fed on mealworms and crickets, and I'm gonna switch the mealies to waxworms because of the higher fat content and smaller amounts of chitin. On the next feed I'm gonna dust them with nutrobal, and I'm feeding him every two/three hours with as many insects as he'll eat before he starts getting distracted. Does that sound about right? Any info or anecdotal help would be so helpful here, this guy is so cute, oh, and he's an English Robin, not an American one, so a lot smaller. Thanks guys!

    Here's the little fella:

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  2. Laurie

    Laurie Rollerblading along the road Tailgating!!! Vendor

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    He is so cute. I don't know anything about feeding it though. It does look a bit small to be out of the nest though.

    Best wishes.
     
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    Wish I could help, but never had a insectivore bird in my care.
    Although I've just acquired a baby mouse bird, (softball) that lost his mom.
    He too didn't want to take food from me at first.
    I used long nosed tweezers, this he took to, so think he might have been scared of my fingers.
     
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  4. TehLizardKing

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    Thanks birdie onions, I've just been reading your thread as inspiration! I'll get some tweezers tomorrow, he's not enjoying having his mouth pried open at every feed.

    Edit: it isn't your thread, sorry lol, but it is ace How did you get your little guy to beg in the end?
     
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    I just put the food in front of him, and he eventually went for it.
    Took him a day or two, to realize I wasn't a threat.
    I'm in love is his thread.
     
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    Thank you! I will. He doesn't mind the fingers but I hate being so close to his eyes, it must be uncomfortable
     
  8. SpecialistElbru

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    The problem with hand raising wild birds is that it is hard to keep them from becoming human imprinted. If is also hard to teach them what predators to fear in the wild.

    I would suggest that once it becomes strong enough to fly. Take it at least 20 miles from your house to release it. The cold hard truth is that it will have a low chance of survival. And caring for it longer will not increase the chances of survival.

    Take it far away so that it will not come back to you for food. If the bird dies, you will not suffer the gut-wrenching feeling that a creature you cared for so hard is no longer alive. If you take it far the only thing you will remember is that you gave the creature a chance. It may be a slim chance, but better than no chance at all.

    Even in the best of situations only a fraction of baby robins make it to one year.
     
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    Are you in the UK? I'm not sure what the laws are in the UK. You might be able to keep it, but I'm not sure I would recommend that. I defiantly would defiantly not recommend keeping a bird illegally.

    Also is there any chance it could be a rare/endangered thrush? Baby thrushes look lot alike. From the picture, I thought it was a baby American robin. Adult European/Americans robins look so different, but as babies they look alike.
     
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    Thanks for your help SpecialistElbru, why yes I am in the UK. It's definitely not a thrush, the little guy is adult sized now apart from his primary flights and his tail haven't yet grown in. My thoughts so far are that whatever happens I've given him a better chance then he would have had (pre-fledged bird on the road in the rain in a neighbourhood full of cats with no parents in sight and a damaged leg) and I wouldn't dare keep him if I couldn't provide for him... I think he's actually too old to become imporinted thankfully; he doesn't even like me at all, he won't gape and, true to bold robin form, he's not scared of me... but he's not comfortable with me either. Obviously he will likely lose his fear of humans since I'll be feeding him for another few weeks, but hopefully his identity as a bird will hold out. if it does, we are set because apart from the bird loving neighbours the nearest people are miles away.

    That's a wonderful idea, and I may consider it, but I think because of the home situation I have my thoughts so far are that he shall live in the shed until, if he survives to be able to eat on his own, he will be built an inside space with free access to the outside world. If he gets eaten by a sparrowhawk, hell I'll miss him but I won't have wasted my time because I'll have fed a sparrowhawk. I basically want to give him the opportunity to have a life, and if that life can't be as a free flying bird (injured leg?) I'd rather not keep him, wild birds in cages and all that, but I have several large aviary spaces he could occupy happily and legally:

    (Gov.uk Website:)
    Keeping wild birds

    You must not keep any wild bird (or its egg or nest) unless you can prove it was taken or killed legally.

    Taken legally means any of the following:

    • taken under licence
    • taken from the wild and kept as it’s unfit to be released
    • found dead or killed accidentally such as road kill

    Apparently also if you release an animal and it cant survive on its own, it's a crime in itself. I like that.

    Anyway he's faring very well, he's lost a bit of weight but he's looking healthy and I've only just managed to start feeding him properly so it looks like all is well... thanks for the help so far everyone!
     
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    I'm glad you are considering the harsh reality, dealing with wild birds is quite a bit diferent than dealing with captive breed birds.


    I have seen birds survive in the wild with one injured leg, for birds like robins flight is the requirement for survival. In the UK you have more leagal options when it comes to dealing with birds than peopl in the US.
     

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