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Discipline/punishment. Just bad advice.

Discussion in 'Behavior Byway' started by JLcribber, 11/23/10.

  1. JLcribber

    JLcribber Joyriding the Neighborhood Celebirdy of the Month Mayor of the Avenue Avenue Spotlight Award Avenue Veteran Shutterbugs' Best Crash Test Dummy

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    Agreed.


    You talk about how positive attention works. Explain what is positive about this?

     
  2. dolldid

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    GREAT POST ISNT IT FUNNY THE HUMAN SPENDS $$$$ TO BRING THIS SMALL BIRD IN TO THERE LIVES AND DONT RESPECT WHAT THEY PAYED FOR THEY HAVE TO BE THE RULER THE BOSS ITS COME WHEN I WANT YOU EAT WHEN I FEED YOU SLEEP WHEN I SAYTHESE KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THE SAME WITH CHILDREN NOT JUST ANIMALES .
    SHOWING YOU ARE DISPLEASED IS GOOD LETTING YOUR BIRD SHOW YOU WHEN HES DISPLEASED IS GOOD YOUR LEARNING TO UNDERSTAND THEM IF THATS WHAT YOU WANT
    WHAT I DID WITH MY DYH TOUGHT ME A LOT BUT IN SUCH SMALL APT I SAW NO OTHER WAY OUT REGRETS I HAVE BUT HAVE MOVED ON TOOK TIME TO UNDERSTAND MOODS SCREEMING AND YES I TELL MANGO ENOUGH SHUT UO,,LOL AND HE QUITENS DOWN,,LOL BUT THATS ALL THATS NEEDED LEARN TO SHOW SOME EMOTION BUT IN DOING SO LEARN THE WHYS LIKE WHEN MANGO BITES I KNOW WHY HE HAS BITTEN ME LOL MOST TIMES WAS BECAUSE HE WASNT GETTING ATTENTION WHEN I CAME IN IF GRANDSON WAS HERE DID I GET UP SET WITH MANDO NO CAUSE I NEW ID GET IT,,LOL I LEARNED TO AVOID IT BY COVERING MY HEAD WITH A TOWEL IT WORKED HE DIVEDBOMD ME PASSED OVER ME NOT TPUCHING ME AND HE WAS HAPPY HE SHOWED ME HE WAS UPSET , NOW I COULD REMOVE THE TOWEL AND HE WOULD BE FINE IT TAKES LEARNING FOR BOTH BIRDS WILL TEACH US IF WE WANT TO LEARN

    IT ALL STARTS THE MIN YOU BRING THIS BIRD IN TO YOUY LIFE YOU GIVE HIM A NEW CAGE TOYS EVERY THING THEN YOU END UP INVADING EVERY THING YOU GIVE HIM YOU DEMAND HE COMES TO YOU OH HE HAS TO STEP UP CAUSE YOU WANT HIM TO HE HAS TO COME OUT OF CAGE , YE THIS POOR BIRD WANTS OUT CAUSE HES AFRAID REMEMBER HE HASNT READ A BOOK TELLING HIM ABOUT YOU . YES MANGO TOUGHT ME A LOT AND I LEARNED SO MUCH
    THESE PEOPLE DONT RESPECT WHAT THEY BOUGHT THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM SELVES BIRDS ARE HUMAN LIKE US THEY HAVE TO BE GIVEN CHOICES THERE AREA HAS TO BE THERES IF THEY WANT TO COME TO YOU GREAT IF NOT LEVE THEM BE , I HAVE NEVER TAKEN MANGO OR FORCED MANGO TO COME TO ME IF HES ON HIS CAGE OR IN IT OFF ANY THING I HAVE GIVEN HIM I ASK IF HE ISNT READY I LEAVE BUT IF HES ON SAY MY CHAIR AND I WANT HIM I TELL HIM COME ON LETS GO AND OFFER HIM MY FINGER HE COME RIGHT AWAY
    IF YOUR BIRD IS HAPPY AND CONTENT YOU WONT HAVE MANY ISUE S LEARN TO UNDERSTAND THEM WORK IT OUT THIS WAY GIVE THEM CHOICES UNDERSTAND WHY THERE SCREAMING THAT IS THE KEY
    LIVING IN A SENIORS APT LIKE I DO THEY COMPLAIN ON EVERY THING AND YES BEEN TOLD THEY HEAR HIM AND I SAY YEP HE HAS A VOICE LIKE US HE HEARS YOU TO WHEN OUT SIDE OR NEAR MY DOOR TALKING ,,LOL AND LET IT GO IT WORKS,,LOL

    OK ILL SHUT UP THANKS JOHN FOR BRINGING THIS BACK OUT IN THE OPEN HUGS
     
  3. wondering alice

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    I am so happy I found this site. I also think its mean to spray a bird for bad behavior and now see that it is not the right way to modify behavior. I had a neighbor who did it to her bird and I wondered if she was right. I am reading everything I can and learning so much. Thank you.
     
  4. slinky-kitty

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    Thank you for an interesting read. Such an important message.
     
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  5. BobbyC

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    Brilliant post
     
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  6. April ch

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    My amazon now scream whenever I'm at the kitchen. I don't know how to stop his desire that I must be in the living room.

    I have him for 1 month. He use to the whole area at the first week. and didn't scream at all until 3th week.each time i go into kitchen to prepare my meal, he didn't see me around then start nervous. When I place his cage at a place where he could see me. He still not comfort once i left the living area.

    first time its only 1 single scream. I know i can't shown any reaction. I continue my meal. next day, i go into kitchen and let him in an area where he could see me. he still scream a 4 - 5 seconds. I still choose to do nothing. Today, a week after he start the scream things. He nonstop scream for 15 second.

    I do nothing seems intensify his frequently and make him scream more. Its amazon natural habit to scream for flock. But I feel that there is way to train him keep calm. I just don't know how.

    I visited a bird store where is also a 'bird hotel' (owner in vacation, and birds will be in there). When i at the outside, they all yelling and whole place like 'screaming room'. Once I walk in, they aware of my existence, then whole place become quiet. They all stand still on the perch, just look at me. silence. I really want to know how their owner could train them to be calm. but that store is too far away.
     
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  7. BobbyC

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    The screaming will get worse before it gets better. Keep ignoring it. If you ever show a reaction, you are training him to scream. But you also need to understand that all birds scream in one way or another.
     
  8. Tyrion

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    I have a problem with never calling back when your bird calls for you ....sometimes I think thats how you make a screamer ...sometimes they just want to know where you are and if you contact call back they stop calling ....I have made a game out of it with my Grey he calls for me and I whistle back and he whistles again or he will say a word and I say one back this will go on the whole time Im out of the room ....and I think we are a much happier for it :)
     
  9. BobbyC

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    There's a difference between a call and a scream. I ignore the screams. And once she makes a noise that's acceptable, then she gets attention. But I have seen hundreds of birds who's owners rewarded screaming. And that's why they are in the rescue lol. To each their own.
     
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  10. April ch

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    thx.. I rethink after I post it. Before seeing your feed back, i figure out the similar conclusion. Right, a call is difference from scream.
    I feed back, and pay too much attention to my bird. Whenever he beg for scratch, ask for nuts, saying hello. This is no difference from spoil - whatever whenever he ask, i response. For the kitchen thing, At first i assume he is calling, I will intentionally have vocal feed back when he call. But he soon start to scream. This is morning time, I not long ago walk into kitchen. He start the scream and it last longer than last nights. I force myself to ignore these scream and continue my work.

    moments after I walk back to the living room. I move his cage into kitchen. and decided to let him stay in the kitchen- where didn't block his view towards me. This mean he could watch me doing my things. and I will let him be there for a while.

    I can't reward him for screaming. and I can't spoil my bird by paying too much attention. He must use to my daily routine. This morning force myself to ignore him. Let him nonstop continue the "hello" voice. I let him learn that he will gain attention when he speak "hello". I now try to undone this.
     
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  11. BobbyC

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    Yep you have the right idea.
     
  12. RandyMiller

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    Great post.
     
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    John love your writing and knowledge. I am the new parront of a 12 year old too named Hercules. he is the sweetest most loving bird I have ever come in contact with. He kisses and nuzzles and always wants to be with us. If I leave the room he screams. At bedtime he says nitenite. but screams lol. I also have 2 conures who I cover at night mainly because I am concerned about drafts and they rest. I have Hercs cage next to them. Last night I covered his cage too. He screamed for 5 minutes then was quiet. I don't want him to feel like I am punishing him because I'm not at all. Am I doing the wrong thing although he seems fine with it.
     
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    I don't know about punishing him. I think birds crave routine. Bella, my tiel will yell when it is time to go to bed even when she initiates it but as soon as the light goes out, she is on her sleep perch grinding her beak. I think that if you are consistent it is a routine, not a punishment. But I do not own a too and will defer to the too owners.
     
  15. Lodah

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    Wonderful post John and should be required reading for anyone who contemplates caring for a fid! It makes me sick to hear of anyone who doesn't understand bird behavior, because they are either too lazy or lack motivation to do so and then treat birds or animals badly. Sure, anyone who cares for a fid is not perfect and we all makes mistakes... but blatant abuse is unacceptable in any form! You can control your own behavior and try to alter others... but you cannot lead a horse to water and make them drink it! Its a sad reality!

    The world is never perfect! :(

    I meet a lot of people who say... I think I would like to buy a parrot! My immediate response is... do you have ANY idea what your getting yourself into! :shifty:
     
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    Birds have to suffer from various temperature changes out in the wild, so drafts honestly don't concern me.


    If Hercules doesn't like to be covered, would it be okay to leave him uncovered? Otherwise, instead of completely covering him, try only partially covering him up. Over time, you could work to completely covering him up.
     
  17. JLcribber

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    Cockatoos are one of those species that are high strung and have hair triggers when it comes to "perceived" dangers/threats. They are very aware even when resting.

    They need 12 hours of restful sleep. The best way to achieve that is in a very dark room (and/or covered cage) to block the vision. No see. No threat.

    What is even more important IME is to have "white noise" in that sleeping environment (I use a big noisy hepa filter which you should have anyway). With darkness and loss of sight, the birds hearing becomes more acute. The white noise fills the audio senses. Dulling it to "triggers".

    A well rested bird is better behaved and more active/vocal.

    My cockatoos throw 10 minute temper tantrums every single night after lights out (and then silent). They are 3 year old children.
     
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    I only cover Kamara at bedtime right before I turn off the lights because if I don't she seems to get more anxious at night which causes her vomiting fits that happen when she gets upset (we've seen vets about it and they said her vomiting is behavioural and if she gets scared or upset she does it) she lets me know when she wakes up and wants to be uncovered in the morning

    My grandmother keeps telling me to cover her when she screams for attention and I keep telling her you can't really punish her. This is the woman who neglected her so badly she started plucking so I don't really listen to what she says when she tries to tell me what to do with Kamara
     
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    I agree @JLcribber !
     
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    Awesome post!!!
     
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