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Beware when you buy

Discussion in 'Budgie Boulevard' started by meheartbirds, 11/3/18.

  1. meheartbirds

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    The Tale of the Bobbing Tail

    I decided to get my cockatiel ..a friend ... and as I was reading, I also fell in love with the qualities of English Budgies ( EB ). An Avian Breeder in Indiana had both for sale so after about of month of correspondence and looking at all the pics of her present babies for sale..I fell in love with a female blue, she seemed to call out to me. I even named her GAGA because I sure went gaga over her. Her pic was beautiful in all poses but I noticed brown feathers about her cere ( the “skin” that surrounds the nostrils ). I have no training in bird diseases and the breeder must have wondered why I picked her because she even said with a tone of incredulity “You want HER???”. Still she said nothing to make me think I should not buy her. She must have known I had no idea what was wrong with her. She sent me more pics of her as time went by and some showed the brown spots and in others it was washed off. I finally asked about it and she said it was just food from the babies on her feathers. I picked out 3 more baby EB and a cockatiel baby just weaned.

    On the evening of October 18th , five lovely birds were shipped to me from the breeder in Indiana. The next day I noticed that Gaga was breathing faster than the other EB and also labored, as evidenced by her tail pumping up and down with each breath. As a nurse I know this was not normal so I made an appointment as a walk-in the the Avian and Exotic vet I take my birds to on the next day. She was seen Oct 20th.

    The vet immediately saw her brown feathers above her cere and knew she had a respiratory infection. I was aghast because I saw the pics the breeder sent me on Oct 2nd and she was obviously sick then. I showed the pic to the vet and she agreed…”She sold you a very sick bird that was sick a long time., not only that..the bird
    behind her is sick too!” I also mentioned that the bird was a baby and the vet looked at her and said, ”This is an older adult bird that has had babies!”

    She sent me home with antibiotic mediation and told me to call back if she got worse. After 10 days on the medication, Gaga was starting to get worse so I called to tell the vet and the office said to bring her right in. I tearfully told them that I was out of funds and that also my other birds that were shipped were beginning to also look sick.

    They advised me to call one of the avian rescue operations and they gave me names and numbers. The first person I called was incredibly kind and helpful and came over the same day with a cage with a warmer in it to keep her separate from the others. She brought seed and so much more. She looked at my bird and said not to worry that her rescue group would cover the costs for medical treatment. I was astounded!

    That day we brought Gaga in and she was started on a different antibiotic. But at the same time the four other new birds were showing signs of stress and illness. The rescuer had her own appointment with one of the vets the next day which was Tues. She let me have her appointment she had made for her own bird!So the other four birds went in along with Gaga and they were all put on several meds and two of them on breathing treatments. All of this COVERED by this wonderful bird rescuer.

    They did all kinds of tests including the rescuer herself sent off samples on each group of birds..My older group, the newer group and Gaga who was in her own cage.I would never have been able to cover all this at this point in time.

    The new antibiotic did not appear to be working but we at least found out that despite all of the tests not showing the causative organism, the GOOD news was that she did not have Psittacosis which was the worse case scenario because it is contagious for animals and humans as well. Gaga got so bad that I rushed her back to the vet early one morning a few days ago and they were waiting for her and whisked her into the isolation oxygen cubicle.

    She is still there after two nights and will stay over the weekend. They said last night they really thought they were going to lose her and were surprised this morning when she was still alive! Her breathing was too fast to count and tail pumping wildly. But I had a lot of people saying prayers for her and I know God is a God of Mercy had has granted me 3 miracle animal healings so far in my life. She is getting tube feedings since she stopped eating. I think if she can just hang on long enough for the antibiotic to start winning.

    Last night at home my other EB female ( who was almost getting as bad as Gaga with the tail pumping ) Tiara started to show small signs of improvement…and her tail stopped pumping and the breathing less labored. Also the two males are looking better though they were never as sick as the other two and the Cockatiel , who only had puffy feathers which can be a sign of illness, looks great.

    Thank God for the goodness of people! The vet assistant who recommended the avian rescue, and the rescuer herself.

    Meanwhile the breeder is being very nasty denying the bird was sick despite the pics that show clear evidence that she was sick at the beginning of October and who knows how long before that. In fact experts who have looked at the pics say that there are several birds besides Gaga in the pics that show evidence of respiratory distress (brown feathers above the cere is a classic sign). Plus another surprise: the rescuer and the vet and others who got to see her said she is an older mother bird…the breeder flatly denies this saying she was born in August of this year. The markings of the bird plus exam shows that she is not a baby.

    The breeder unfortunately cares nothing for her birds and in fact told me when I first called her: “Oh just put her in another room and don’t look at her. If she dies she dies. I can’t afford to be paying more money to help her. I will just send you another bird.” This woman did not even care that ALL her birds are at risk for dying!! She acted ignorant of what Psittacosis is…and she is a breeder! Think of all the birds and the people who buy them will have to go thru these tragedies!
     
  2. finchly

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    I’m so sorry. :sadhug2:

    Your breeder is an idiot, and is apparently running a “bird mill.” Perhaps there is another way to complain, such that you could get your money back. Maybe contact her local humane society and make a complaint?

    I would probably have an attorney send her a letter at the least.

    It is hard to believe there are people so callous out there - and their victims are poor, innocent birds.
     
  3. iamwhoiam

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    So sorry this happened to you and very sad for the birds, too. They should have been taken to a vet and not been shipped. The breeder sounds as if she doesn't care and she shouldn't be breeding or for that matter have any birds. You should post a review on yelp or a bird breeder site so that others will be forewarned about her.
    I hope the budgies will be OK.
     
  4. finchly

    finchly Biking along the boulevard Mayor of the Avenue Avenue Spotlight Award Vendor

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    That is a great idea.

    Those poor birds. Can you imagine having the flu and being shoved in a dark box and shipped??
     
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    You can contact your local/county animal care and control, any/all local avian rescues, PETA, all of whom have government contacts and a letter from an attorney never hurts! Remember you have conversational (messages with breeder), photographic, and medical experts as evidence. You hold the reigns! I can’t pm yet, but let me know if you are interested in the attorney direction, I may be able to help
     
  6. Lady Jane

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    I was just going to write about publishing negative feedback about this breeder in public formats such as FB. Let her or him know you are going to do this so that others will not have to go through what you are going through. I suggest you also say who the breeder is on this forum.
     
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  7. meheartbirds

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    Yes I am interested. I do not know how to pm. Fairly new here.
     
  8. meheartbirds

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    Lady Jane I have already informed her a week ago that I was going to contact a lawyer and post this information if she did not attempt to right this situation starting off with a total refund since I have already racked up a huge bill for Gaga and the others. She remains in isolation at the vet today. Her response was to disavow any complaints and giving silly reasons why the birds "looked" sick. Her name is Pam Sysinger of Royal Wings Aviary.
     
  9. PoukieBear

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    OMG I'm so sorry that you and your birds are going through this. It's a complet nightmare and it sounds like the "breeder" (I use that term loosely for this piece of scum person) doesn't care about what your birds are going through.

    Do all you can to get your money back from her, and make sure that no one else buys birds from her.

    I always advise that when buying a bird from a breeder, you find one that does health testing and your bird comes with a heath guarantee.
     
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    Great idea!
     
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    That is horrible! The breeder is running a for profit only "bird mill"!
     
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    Oh my goodness, and I almost bought a bird from there!! I said ALMOST, thank goodness!! So sorry for your sick birds, wishing the best for them! Keep us posted
     
  13. meheartbirds

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    Update Gaga appears to have broken the illness and doing better. She has been on tube feedings, isolation with oxygen and respiratory nebulizers. Today they say she is getting back her saucy voice which is a good thing.
     
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    omg I hope Gaga pulls through, it sounds like she is a fighter ! So many people mistreat their birds it is so sad. I hope you can get the word out about what this breeder is doing so others do not buy from her. I wish this was illegal to do , it sounds like animal neglect to me.
     
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    This makes me sick reading about what you and your birds have gone through! :sad1: Absolutely horrible of that lady.

    I'm really sorry and I hope your whole flock will be OK (especially Gaga). :sadhug2::sadhug2::sadhug2:
     
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    Update..I was getting ready to leave to pick up Gaga for an almost 7 day stay at the vet. Yesterday she had a big burst of energy and they said she was ready to come home but just wanted another day to be sure she was ready. . But at 8 AM as I was preparing to go get her, the vet called me and said she was so sorry to tell me that Gaga collapsed suddenly this morning and she was not able to revive her.

    I gave permission to do a Necropsy because Tiara is going back and forth with rapid breathing just like Gaga did..so she is next to die if we cannot determine the cause of this horrible disease. They put a rush on the necropsy because there are 4 other birds at stake. If anyone can translate the preliminary findings, I would be happy to post what the Doctor sent me. He has cultured her as well and that will take some time. BTW everything so far tested negative when she was alive.

    Here is a pic of Tiara..she is the one on the far left. IMG_0130.JPG

    Also I painted a pic of Gaga and Buffett together to auction at the fund raiser the wonderful rescue person will have in her honor. The name of the Rescue is Marden's Ark. They truly care for the birds they rescue!!! I could not afford to have tried to save her on my own right now.
     
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    This is absolutely heartbreaking Cynthia! I will be anxious to hear the results of the necropsy, and I surely hope that Tiara and the other three of your flock will be okay! The woman ought to be shut down. I looked at her website and it is just positively a 'glowing' description of the aviary. Not a mention of her selling sick birds, and she makes herself out to be an expert, and so caring. Makes me sick. Shame on her!
     
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    So sorry for the loss of Gaga. I hope Tiara will be OK. Hope that they can figure out what is going on.
     
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    I've been following this thread and wanted to say I am so sorry for your loss. You did all you could have possibly done for Gaga.

    Hopefully the necropsy will give you some answers in case Tiara needs a specific treatment.
     
  20. meheartbirds

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    If you had seen the little amount of reply I got from her, calling herself a caring person and adamantly dying ANY of her birds were ever sick. And now she is ignoring my emails and hoping it will go away and she can continue as usual.
     
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