My dogs are relatively decent with birds and are usually out while the birds are. Under supervision of course. I don't really have a big problem with it. The dogs are often allowed to sleep with me and get snuggle time then. They get on and off attention during the day when they bring me toys to throw and they generally get about an hour of walking, hiking play time outside with me most days. The rest of the time, I can old the birds relatively problem free. For the most part, my dogs know that if I'm holding a bird, its best not to bother me.