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Adopting Breeder Birds As Pets - Pros & Cons

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I have a rescued breeder bird. His mate of 10 years disappeared (long story) from their outdoor aviary a few years ago. They were an unsuccessful breeding pair of blue crown conures and we're given to me. When the female disappeared we brought him inside. His cage is next to Tinkerbell's. They are friends or I guess neighbors but not bonded. Tink is totally bonded to my oldest daughter. I think they enjoy each others company but Tink really doesn't care about Jasper. He has been inside for a few years now and I think he is finally starting to come out of his shell. I didn't really expect him to be a pet. He is scared of hands. However if he has to be toweled to go for a check up at the vet or something he has never bitten or gotten ugly with anyone. In some ways he is easier to handle than Tink. ;) Their cages are in the sunroom. He calls for her most of the time when she is with us. I have started getting him out of the cage and letting him sit with Tink on her playstand. She seems to tolerate him and he seems to really enjoy being out with her. :lol: He has started bathing too! I have always had to spritz him but lately he will bath if we are all together as a flock. So good can come of it but we have had him since 2008 and its just over this summer that he has started doing this. He is older too. He is about 14 whereas Tink is 4. So I say if you can help some breeders have a better life go for it and if on their terms they warm up to you, what a bonus that would be! Totally worth it either way :heart:
Thank you for the wonderful insight. I wouldn't expect a lot from the breeder pair. Just wanted to find out if they would be friendly at all. But I guess that will depend on each bird and their past history.

Thank you to everyone else for the feedback. If I did bring this pair home I wouldn't break them up. I don't think it is right. They would stay together and I would not encourage nesting behavior. I wouldn't provide a nesting box. I don't plan on becoming a breeder. LOL! I was just considering it because they needed a home. That is the only reason. Not to breed them, not to break them up. Just to give them a forever home. I just wanted to know if there was any chance I can still interact with them IF I did.
The same person has a 10 month old that I am considering over the pair. But I wanted to at least ask the questions before I made any decisions. Again, thanks to everyone for your feedback! :)
 
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Always remember some 'breeder' birds are former pets who became too much for their owners to handle. It is amazing when one can break through the 'breeder' behaviors and re-awaken that former pet hidden inside. I have done this twice, once with a cockatiel and another time with a lovebird. Neither bird became a velcro birds, but each started sitting on my shoulder, taking treats from my fingers and did this daily until the day each of them died.

Sometimes the 'pet' is still in there in 'breeder' birds.
 

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It is very true. Breeding birds does not equate to abuse or mistreatment. That kind of narrow minded thinking does harm to Aviculture. There is no evidence that these birds are in a bad situation, just simply up for sale. If they are in the hands of someone ignorant of their care then I do hope someone that knows better does take them. Telling this lady that these birds could be pets is absolutely detrimental to the birds. She should be very aware that these birds will NOT be the pets she would want them to be. If she's ok with never holding them, petting them, only watching them then she should go for it.
 

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And what kind of pets did she say she wanted them to be? I havent read that she wanted them to be cuddly and doing tricks for her.

There is nothing wrong with having a pair of birds in a household and treated like "pets". I guess I believe breeders can be happy in this situation without a nestbox in their life.
 

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I certainly don't expect them to be cuddly. I just want to be able to interact with them enough to take care of them. If they decide they want to hang out with me, then that is a bonus!

I never said they were abused. The conditions don't seem great but that doesn't mean they are abused. I haven't seen the whole picture or situation so I can't judge. My concern with any rehome is them getting in the wrong hands, breeders or not. Because will all know inexperienced people buy birds on craigslist. And I would think a bonded pair would be more challenging then a single bird for a novice. I understand I can't save every bird. But before I adopt I ask questions, do my research and think it through. So that is why this post was started. I'm doing my research and asking questions before making a decision. :)
 

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I thought of another point that might or might not be useful.
A lot of breeders that I have met believe parent raised irns make better breeders. If they do hand raise them, they only handle them for feedings and try not to tame them. I don't know what it is like in your country.

There was another member on here not long ago who adopted an untame adult and ended up giving her to someone with an aviary as the bird was not adapting to being indoors. Sometimes the change in setting can be a traumatic experience for an older bird. I have seen quite a few breeder birds that I would never consider keeping in my house, it would be condemning them to an uncomfortable environment and a lot of stress.

The only way to get a really good idea is too see how these particular birds react to people. Every bird is an individual.

You may be pleasantly surprised, just have your eyes wide open and be realistic about whether trying to convert them to house pets is really in their best interests. :)
 

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Oh, I forgot to add that we are talking about a species that has a reputation for being difficult to tame. I don't know how deserved it is, but it seems to be a common opinion of them. They certainly aren't 'teils.


Btw I actually do really adore irns, believe it or not. :D
 

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I found a pair of breeder birds up for adoption. They are IRN's. Has anyone adopted breeder pairs as pets? What are the pros and cons.

I am thinking they may not be friendly as they are heavily bonded. I would love to save them from a life of breeding. They are 3 and 4 years old. But I don't want to get in over my head on this one.

Any advice would be appreciated!
Um, save them from a life of breeding? What makes you think they are suffering? I breed parrots and I'm here to tell you, raising babies is the high point of their year. If you were to ask the pairs, being with their mate, having nice cozy nest box to obsess over and possibly having some babies to mess around with is just great. They are allowed to do everything their instincts want them to do. Now there can certainly be bad breeders. If you have reason to believe these birds are from a bad breeder and you don't mind if they continue to treat you like an annoying 3rd class citizen, then go ahead and get them. But don't assume that they are necessarily destined to a life of misery just because they are "breeder birds."

Now to answer your question, in some species you might get some pet qualities out of the birds. First, I would not split up the pair. Being friendly with you will probably be at the very bottom of their priority list. They will be much more into each other. For the most part, I do not like to separate pairs in order to make them into pets unless there are some other circumstances making it necessary. Second, because you won't be separating the pair, they will likely want to do what breeder pairs do. Breed. So, you may very well have to decide what your game plan is regarding eggs. Can you stomach addling, boiling or freezing a fertile egg so that the chick doesn't hatch? If so, then you have your plan, and the birds can do what they do and you won't need to deal with babies. If you can't stomach killing the little life that is in that egg, then you are likely to become a breeder. The very thing you probably think you are rescuing them from. In which case, you'll need to make sure you've got all the equipment ready to hand-feed and figure out how to get them into homes. With ringnecks, my understanding is that they need a decent amount of handling as chicks and thereafter to keep their pet qualities. So if you let the parents raise the chicks, you'll likely be looking at selling them as breeder birds or aviary birds. Again, making yourself into the thing you want to rescue them from.

If you really want a couple indian ringnecks, to me a breeding pair might make nice look at pets. I'm told they are on the noisy side and being from a breeding background, they might be noisier than most. Otherwise, you might be able to workout some sort of friendship deal with them. Where they are allowed out of their cage and end up baited back in at bedtime. You don't try to intervene in their love for each other, and they pretty much let you look at their lovely selves and if you are very patient maybe take treats from your hand.. That would make many former breeders reasonably happy. Of course, there are some females out there that will become so frustrated if you don't provide a nest that they pluck themselves. I don't think ringnecks are very prone to that behavior, but do keep in mind that forcing them not to reproduce successfully may cause them more frustration and unhappiness than being a breeder would.

In some species, such as cockatoos, macaws and some amazons, if the bird was a very well socialized pet prior to becoming a breeder, then you might be able to turn them around into being semi-friendly with people. However, you're more likely to have success with that with whatever sex in the pair is known to be the least aggressive. The more aggressive partner may amp up their aggression if they see you messing with their mate. I have a breeding pair of amazons in which the female is still pet quality. But I don't pet her because it makes her mate so upset that he tries to attack me and sometimes her. Normally she tries to avoid getting between me and him so she doesn't take a beating. Since he comes rushing over whenever I try to pet her, it means she doesn't get petted much. But, I had her initially as a pet and put her with a mate because I thought it would make her happiest. And it has. For her, being a breeder is a better life than being a single pet. To me, if they are breeder birds, let them be breeder birds. If you want ringnecks because you really like ringnecks and your willing to just let them be birds even if they are rather unpleasant to be around, then go for it. But don't get them because you think you are rescuing them from breeding. Ringnecks are not among the species known for being real good pets unless well socialized as chicks. So chances are decent that even if you do something incredibly unthinkable like trying to separate the pair to make them pets, you'll probably only have moderate success at making them into very personal pets.
 

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@melissasparrots said this far better than I did :)

I was softer in my approach in my original post as I don't like putting an absolute and blanket response on an answer but IRNs in my experience do not make ideal pets even when raised with as much love and socialisation as you can give, many are just not suitable to have a life as companion birds it just doesn't suit many of them, hens especially become quite aggressive when maturity hits. My two hens were handraised, one I raised myself from the egg (Jake, she was very well socialised, went to work with me every day while she was being handraised met lots of people, handled a lot etc...) and she is one of my few birds that I have to watch every second the aviary door is open as she will take any opportunity to bite, and watch out when she is nesting she turns into a monster, her mum (Lucy) is similar but not quite so intense. I'm not saying that their aren't exceptions with IRNs but on the whole this is what I and many other people in aviculture have experienced.
Now Jake was a totally unplanned baby, Lucy and her mate at the time George decided to make a nest in the corner of their cage, no nest box just laid eggs on the cage floor, this cage was moved in and out of the house daily, I never imagined we could get fertile viable eggs but surprise surprise we hatched 2 babies and Lucy had no idea what to do so I had to step in and hand rear. IRNs have an intense drive to breed and will make do with what they have even if that means nesting on the cage floor with no protection.
I'm not trying to talk you out of this pair, but you need to be prepared for what these birds may entail if you take them on, and you cannot expect to have a close relationship with them, the most I can do with a couple of my IRNs is to hand them a treat, past that they have no interest in interaction despite 3 of the 4 having been handraised.
 

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Thanks again for the input. Maybe I worded my first post incorrectly by saying "saving then from a life of breeding". I wasn't trying to offend. The conditions don't seem great and I just didn't want to see them get into a worse breeding situations. The owners communication skills are lacking. I'm giving up on trying at this point. But thank you all for the advice.
 

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Blanca, I'd recommend joining an Avicultural Society that's local to you for the simple reason it'll dispel a few myths. IMHO I think it's great to have members @CheekyBeaks and @melissasparrots to provide some balance and perspective regarding behavioural traits in birds that many parrot owners don't get to witness. ;)
 

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The conditions don't seem great and I just didn't want to see them get into a worse breeding situations.
Blanca, I know what you're saying. There are quite a few disreputable breeding operations in my area, and one of them has a pair of dirty and badly barbered/plucked macs on the market right now that I'd love to "rescue" from the life they lead. They are only a few miles from my house... I think that good breeders who keep their birds in nice conditions are tired of being lumped in with the BYBs, and I don't blame them. And the AR folks are deeply invested in blurring the distinction, which is inaccurate at best. Never the twain shall meet. But, in between is a vast gulf of BYB/bird mill reality that is revealed daily in the local US pet stores and classified ads and that has nothing to do with "aviculture" or AR. It's an alternate universe entirely.
 

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I just want to make it clear that I don't think all breeders are bad. I know some very good breeders. The post was about one specific situation and I feel I am being made out as someone who thinks breedering is bad. I just called a really nice breeder yesterday to inquire about chicks. I think people are taking this post the wrong way.

From what I saw , these birds could use a better environment. Hopefully they will find the right home. But that does not mean I think all breeders are bad!
 
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I just want to make it clear that I don't think all breeders are bad. I know some very good breeders. The post was about one specific situation and I feel I am being made out as someone who thinks breedering is bad. I just called a really nice breeder yesterday to inquire about chicks. I think people are taking this post the wrong way.

From what I saw , these birds could use a better environment. Hopefully they will find the right home. But that does not mean I think all breeders are bad!
No worries Blanca. As Holiday pointed out, breeders get irritated when people imply a breeding situation is less ideal than a pet situation. The right thing is different for each bird and each species. I've seen many poorly housed pet birds up for sale on craigslist and other sites and the bird looks pathetic but the ad says no breeders. Huh. To me a home with a good breeder in which the bird is given the choice of deciding if it wants a mate or wants to be a pet would be best in those situations. Plus, a home with a breeder with a decent sized cage, toys, maybe, maybe not a mate is better than being a single pet in a cage one or two sizes too small. Of course, if the ad you were seeing was one of those in which the bird was kept in a tiny little wire cage, with piles of seed and crap on the bottom, then I can understand your point. But if it just looked like a plain wire mesh cage, those are often good choices for breeders. Assuming its big enough to allow at least some fluttering flight, possibly has some form of stimulation even if its just a few fresh branches to strip every week and is clean. If its outside, then fresh branches with leaves are great toys. Even though it doesn't look that great form a pet owner perspective. It just gets me when I see a rescue or person assuming that a breeder is going to be a bad home for a bird.
 

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No worries Blanca. As Holiday pointed out, breeders get irritated when people imply a breeding situation is less ideal than a pet situation. The right thing is different for each bird and each species. I've seen many poorly housed pet birds up for sale on craigslist and other sites and the bird looks pathetic but the ad says no breeders. Huh. To me a home with a good breeder in which the bird is given the choice of deciding if it wants a mate or wants to be a pet would be best in those situations. Plus, a home with a breeder with a decent sized cage, toys, maybe, maybe not a mate is better than being a single pet in a cage one or two sizes too small. Of course, if the ad you were seeing was one of those in which the bird was kept in a tiny little wire cage, with piles of seed and crap on the bottom, then I can understand your point. But if it just looked like a plain wire mesh cage, those are often good choices for breeders. Assuming its big enough to allow at least some fluttering flight, possibly has some form of stimulation even if its just a few fresh branches to strip every week and is clean. If its outside, then fresh branches with leaves are great toys. Even though it doesn't look that great form a pet owner perspective. It just gets me when I see a rescue or person assuming that a breeder is going to be a bad home for a bird.
I couldn't have said it better :)
And I totally agree about the fresh browse, most of my aviary/breeders prefer to have natural browse, gum nuts, pine cones etc... For enrichment and don't like the showy colourful toys so while my aviaries may look a little plain to some my birds have a great time shredding, de-barking etc... And are totally natural behaviours.

Blanca I wasn't directing my comments at you but trying to explain in general that many breeding situations are not as bad as many here like to make out, I'm sorry if you took it personally.
 

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Like I said I know some good breeders out there who pamper their birds just like us pet owners. I can understand that a stigma can get attached to breeders and I certainly don't want to encourage that. So thank you for posting and sharing your experiences. :)
 
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